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diZco
25-05-2009, 03:40 PM
Alot of people had been recommending the 404 lately, inluding people that have come off the 756 which I consider to be my benchmark knobby.

Now that i've finally used up the best of what one has to offer over a vareity of conditions I think I'm in a position to share some thoughts.

I've used the tyre over a variety of sand, loam, hardpack, rocks and clay with the exception of anything really wet. The tyre seemed to have a little bit of a trials tyre type personality versus teh 756 in the sense that it seemed to have awesome cornering traction, especially under power. In fact, when the tyre was near new I couldn't beleive how hard I could power with the tyre seeming to only step out 'so far' befor holding a rock solid straight line trajectory regardless of how hard I powered on.

Last week I swapped back to a 756 for one ride at the track and realised I couldn't live without that level of cornering traction and went straight down to the shop and bought a nother 404.

Unfortuantley, it would appear that the 'softer than center' cornering knobs did cop a fair floggin and started ripping off before the 500kay mark. Having said that though, I generally turf a 756 by 500 kays anyway.

In this pic there is a new 756 to the left, a new 404 in the middle and a 404 with 400-500 kays on it on the right.

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/andrewdisco/Various/tyre1.jpg

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/andrewdisco/Various/tyre2.jpg

I'm pleased to say that on this tyre (versus the trials tyre) - I am know enjoying riding twice as much as I was on the trials tyre. I'm literally grinning from ear to ear as I ride now ^nana

When it comes to the 756 though... I still think I might prefer the trials tyre ^duh

nawill
25-05-2009, 03:51 PM
interesting Andrew.....i just ordered a 756, might get a 404 too and do my own comparo.
now that i am on a 250f i have been thinking i might go back to S12 in the hope they will not get shredded so quick.....

crusier
25-05-2009, 03:58 PM
Was down at Bike Mart today looking at tyres The suggestion was the S12 on the front with a 404 on the rear as being a good balance of traction and medium durability.

crofty
25-05-2009, 04:03 PM
tried the 40_ (can't remember) on the front yet?

diZco
25-05-2009, 04:09 PM
I'll try the 403 or the wider 403A on the front next time.. although very happy with the 756 front.

I've heard mixed reports on how durable the new XC S12 has been in racing...

I used to find the 756 had better cornering traction than the S12 rear and I'm also a bit warey of runnig a rear that stiff in the cacas.

Maybe Nawill can be our DBW test pilot for the XC rear ?? :D

Simon
25-05-2009, 04:26 PM
I have been told its 403/603 for front and 404 604 rear.
IE the last number 3 for front 4 for rear.

I have opted for a 604 rear and 403 front.

The 604 is harder and longer lasting. Anybody have any info on how they handle?

These are going on my new WRF450.

I just love the 756 on the DRZ!!!!

diZco
25-05-2009, 04:29 PM
I have been told its 403/603 for front and 404 604 rear.
IE the last number 3 for front 4 for rear.


I don't think anyone was suggesting any differently ^tng

There is an "A" series wider profile available in the fronts though.

crofty
25-05-2009, 04:29 PM
i have been using the soft 203 front, great levels of grip all round, although rocks will chip away at it. Knobs are now starting to come away.

Simon
25-05-2009, 04:33 PM
I don't think anyone was suggesting any differently ^tng

There is an "A" series wider profile available in the fronts though.


yeah that was for Croftys benifit.

Disco the wider front does that help MX wise?

I thought that a taller crown IE thinner front will help turn in. God knows the DRZ needs all the help it can get!
(Not to mention the rider).

What benifit does the "A" series give?

crofty
25-05-2009, 04:35 PM
I have been told its 403/603 for front and 404 604 rear.
IE the last number 3 for front 4 for rear.

I have opted for a 604 rear and 403 front.

The 604 is harder and longer lasting. Anybody have any info on how they handle?

These are going on my new WRF450.

I just love the 756 on the DRZ!!!!

They are the shnizzle if you are riding all types of terrain. We get great mileage out of them down here in Tas.

After using M12's and others the Bridgy's seem to keep up great levels of grip even with well worn centre knobs. The outer knobs will keep biting in most conditions whereas the M12 was stuffed.

Hope that makes sense ^duh

diZco
25-05-2009, 04:36 PM
oh sorry

I haven't run the A series with a knobby rear so I can't comment (if you run a trials rear it changes the whole equation.. to a much more mardi gra type one).

I guess the theory is a bigger contact patch = more traction. I think they were originally pushed as a 450F mx'er tyre.

Simon
25-05-2009, 04:47 PM
They are the shnizzle if you are riding all types of terrain. We get great mileage out of them down here in Tas.

After using M12's and others the Bridgy's seem to keep up great levels of grip even with well worn centre knobs. The outer knobs will keep biting in most conditions whereas the M12 was stuffed.

Hope that makes sense ^duh

Yeah I had M12's on the back of the DRZ over summer as it was wet.
In the mud they were unbeatable IMO. But as soon as we got away from the mud and onto stony rocky stuff (wet was worse) the M12s were crap. Thats why I like the 756 as they are predictable. Ie good in mud and good on rocks and sand as well.

I hope the 604s and 403s are just as good!

Mate I am bringing the Dakar down to tazzie in the spring. You will have to let me know where some good adv riding can be found!

crofty
25-05-2009, 04:57 PM
Mate I am bringing the Dakar down to tazzie in the spring. You will have to let me know where some good adv riding can be found!

Sweet, i'll bust out the awesome DR650 :) Just as much to see on the big bikes as the little ones!

Now that's a good thread hi-jacking ^tng

chubs
25-05-2009, 05:14 PM
what size rear tyre are you using Disco?

im on my second M404 on my WR250F, they grip pretty good in the mud. im not good enough rider to tell too much difference between tyres.

Muzzman
25-05-2009, 05:27 PM
Well I have been on the Briggies for 2 years now.
Rears......
The 4 series are fab cannot fault them in anything up to slop, run em at 9-10psi
The 2 series are excellent in winter and wear well if things stay wet and wild however when it dries out they flog out quick but hey they are for the wet......8-9psi
If you run the 2 or 4 series at low psi they grip like poo to a blanket even when worn.
The 6 series are awesome in the high country and wear well handling rocks rocks and more rocks with ease. Mousse tubes used.
Fronts......
I use a 403 all year except for High summer or High country where the 6 series are fab and grip super well in the loose skatey tracks summer produce.

Mousse tubes work very well on all these tyres as briggies seem to have the sidewall/carcass flex sussed out well.
Lots of fronts 'walk' around a bit on rocks and heavy cornering with a mousse and these guys do not = fun. They let go in a predictable way too which is nice and makes it easier to catch mid corner.

Enjoy

meslowmelive
25-05-2009, 06:31 PM
looks like you been spinning that rear in the loose rocks disco , 500 kms wear, your hard on them . like the DBW9 CAMP hill climbs

Bathy
25-05-2009, 06:59 PM
I've been running the 403A on the front of the BGP.

To my knowledge the suffix A denotes not only is is slightly wider, but also higher, as it's 90/100.

I was informed by my local supplier that the A was invented to help combat headshake through it's higher profile.

Even though i have never experienced any headshake on the BGP,
i was sold on the idea of a bigger contact patch.

I haven't tried a 404 rear yet, as the Mitas C-04 meets my requirements in a rear tyre.

SlipperyPete
25-05-2009, 07:05 PM
where would you guys rate dunlop 773 and metzler mc4 rears?
i ride a 200exc.

lunatick
25-05-2009, 07:57 PM
I've been running the 403A on the front of the BGP.

To my knowledge the suffix A denotes not only is is slightly wider, but also higher, as it's 90/100.

I was informed by my local supplier that the A was invented to help combat headshake through it's higher profile.

Even though i have never experienced any headshake on the BGP,
i was sold on the idea of a bigger contact patch.

I haven't tried a 404 rear yet, as the Mitas C-04 meets my requirements in a rear tyre.

403 fronts are the best front tyre for SE QLD in my opinion
However i tried a 404 rear and destroyed it in 2 rides ( at Mt Mee )
So i,d be surprised if you got 1 ride out of it Bathy

501-freak
25-05-2009, 08:48 PM
yep 404 is all i run on rear :laughing-

spazzm
25-05-2009, 10:02 PM
Sounds like the 604 rear is a medium to hard terrain?

Any comments on how they perform in the wet?

seems to be getting harder to choose, the weather changes week to week down here :confused:

loopey
25-05-2009, 10:27 PM
Sounds like the 604 rear is a medium to hard terrain?

Any comments on how they perform in the wet?

seems to be getting harder to choose, the weather changes week to week down here :confused:

For summer the 604 is a good choice! for this time of year the 404 would be better as it grips well wet or dry.

Ryno
25-05-2009, 11:42 PM
Not only do the 400n series bridgy's stick like shit to a blanket, they are piss easy to change. Smiles all round from me. Plus main jet have em which is round the corner from work :)

mdc218
29-05-2009, 08:10 PM
I run a 403/404 combo on my 525 .. I'm no expert rider but the front end feels nice and steady since I fitted the 403 ( about 400ks ago ) .. Ive had the 404 for a while now its probably due for a change but in saying that I used last week at nowra and it was wet and it still had enuff grip ...put it this way my ability ran out on some big hills before the 404 grip did !!!!!!!

walshy
29-05-2009, 08:42 PM
So would the 403 be a softer compound than the 603^dunno

Simon
29-05-2009, 08:48 PM
So would the 403 be a softer compound than the 603^dunno


Yes I have a 403 on the front and a 604 on th rear.

The diff between the 404 and 604 is compound and block design. The 604 has ribs between the blocks and apparently doesnt rip knobs off as quick.

Disclaimer: I was told this by the bike shop. Grain of salt stuff

rabskyline
29-05-2009, 09:35 PM
i have pirelli scorions 320's on the xr and were a lot better than the stuff i had n but not sure how in comaparison to these..will have a look a these for the xr replacement....

walshy
29-05-2009, 09:47 PM
I've got the 604 rear, 603 front, at the moment! Rear seems really grippy, specially on wet greasy hardpack, not so sure about the front, bit sketchy on the front of the WR!

Braap
29-05-2009, 09:53 PM
Told ya dude, they are such a good tyre, you know Team Air Cool kawasaki run them on all of their bikes most tracks, dont change them, well thats what troy carol said anyway.

ringbarker!
30-05-2009, 09:23 AM
i run 404 rear 403 front and its a shit hot combo
i have ridden them in wet red stuff thay hook up grate

Frankie-boy
30-05-2009, 10:18 AM
I use round black ones front & back...traction is in the right hand:laughing- s12 for me

scottydo
30-05-2009, 01:03 PM
yep I was running 404 rear on the wr450 best tyre for grip but didnt last long at all, got sick of spending the bucks, so 604 now and am very happy.
If i was loaded I would keep 404 and change every 400-500kms

wrighty
30-05-2009, 11:42 PM
I have always found dunlops to be a great tyre, but the 404 bridgestones to be awesome.The only tyre to come close i found is the metzeler mc4.Thats riding a wr 250 f.Mates i ride with ride 400,450s etc and chop them out heaps quicker.I found the 404 in hard and soft terrain to be a shit hot tyre.Every bike is different of course and so is the terrain we all ride.^nana

JJBKTM300
01-06-2009, 01:17 AM
front & rear bridge intermediates are awsome....Love em just put them on my brand new kato & had them on thw WR they lasted well for me but mostly mudy & sandy stuff not to many rocks...

WRMick
01-06-2009, 11:52 AM
Becky 404/403 are the best I've tried @ Tanjil thought they were at there best in greasy conditions I run 12psi rear 13 front; can be a bit of personal preference thing some people will like a certain Tyre others will think there sh@t.

Battered Sav
01-06-2009, 04:23 PM
After literally years of using S-12's I think I've been convinced, next tyres are going to be Bridgey's.

Cal
03-06-2009, 10:33 AM
I've just bought a 404 so if it's no good i'm going to bill you, Andrew. :)

gmoha1
04-06-2009, 01:40 AM
404 have awesome sidewall strength to, but like everyone says ive only ever got 400-500ks out of it however it took a good beating, rocks, mud and sandy hard pack. Only thing i noticed is when she got half way in tread it started to suck bat with grip, felt bald.

Paul450X
04-06-2009, 05:48 PM
I was surprised at the good run i had from the bridgestone motocross m22.They were the cheapest tyres for bikes had at $100 each.
I just needed some rubber until the mitas i ordered came in at honda,(thats another story).
I got over 1000ks on mine and Donna got 1200ks and they still offered reasonable traction in there half worn state.
A good cheap tyre

*Big Mick*
09-06-2009, 11:08 AM
I'm in need of new tyres at the moment, currently running the stock tyres that came with the Husky they were ok in the dry but shit in the wet. I've been an S12 man for a long time and a bit set in my ways, but they don't seem as good as they use to be. I have not tried the new xc,s so may be its time to try the 404 / 403 combo after the positive reviews on here. I can live with only getting 500 km,s if I get good grip in the wet.
Mick

Cal
09-06-2009, 11:48 AM
It was hard gage how the 404 was as it was howling with rain and we rode mostly clay hard pack and slop. It didn't let me down and I was the only one that didn't crash, so maybe it's OK. At the other end of the bike, the dunlop 773 was bloody great.

MrGenius
06-05-2010, 01:45 PM
Adding to this review.
I changed from Metzeler MC5 front and rear to Bridgey 403 and 404's on my 200EXC before the last ride.
The difference it has made to my bikes handling and front end grip is so great it was as if i was riding a different bike. I ran both front and rear at 14psi and id say they would probably have improved a bit if i dropped that to 12 but they were working well. Initial turn in has improved and i found i didnt need to get right up over the front wheel as much as i did with the MC5.
Overall happy with them and see how they go wear wise.

Mikey
06-05-2010, 02:01 PM
+1 for the 404/403 combo - sh*t all over the D952's...

Started out with 14psi until I got stuck on the first snotty hill, dropped down to 10ish and man it was awesome.

ktm charlie
06-05-2010, 06:11 PM
for those of you lot in melbourne there is a bridgestone dealer that i know that will do you a reasonable price on these tyres.. pm me if you like and i can tell you where to find him..

rideo
06-05-2010, 06:34 PM
Psi shmee ess eye, i tells ya the rim clean method is the only way to go.
Big thanks to Coley for letting us know about it.:tick:tick:tick
Only wish i knew about it before i ditched my last 404 at 500kms, i reckon i could have gotten another 300 kms out of it easily.

SuchisLife
06-05-2010, 07:08 PM
Psi shmee ess eye, i tells ya the rim clean method is the only way to go.
Big thanks to Coley for letting us know about it.:tick:tick:tick
Only wish i knew about it before i ditched my last 404 at 500kms, i reckon i could have gotten another 300 kms out of it easily.

Do tell about this Rim Clean Metod?

Rod
06-05-2010, 07:18 PM
Yeah me too, I vaguely recall reading his post some time ago.Ive tried a seach for it without luck.Was it Coley 13 you refer to.

ktm400
06-05-2010, 07:25 PM
Do tell about this Rim Clean Metod?

Simply the clean mark rubbed from the rim on the bead..

It's a good indicator for variables like 19" low pro tyres vs 18" high profile or hard sidewalled tyres vs soft etc etc..

It works...

crusier
06-05-2010, 07:27 PM
Simply the clean mark rubbed from the rim on the bead..

It's a good indicator for variables like 19" low pro tyres vs 18" high profile or hard sidewalled tyres vs soft etc etc..

It works...

I always thought it was the other way round?

I was looking at the rim for the clean mark from the bead. Indicating correct tyre pressure for the riding.

rideo
06-05-2010, 07:51 PM
I always thought it was the other way round?

I was looking at the rim for the clean mark from the bead. Indicating correct tyre pressure for the riding.

That's the one mate:tick:tick
You do need some sort of foreign matter to accumulate on the rim before you can go adjusting your pressures so it is still advisable to go with manufacturers suggestions just to get you going.
20 kms or so is usually enough to start seeing the signs you want to see, usually the first smoko break is when you will be adjusting your pressures to suit the days conditions.

http://www.dirtbikeworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=56523&highlight=rim+clean+method