PDA

View Full Version : Best Offroad Bike of the Decade? 2000-2009


Keg
12-01-2010, 08:27 AM
Ok guys, what has been the best dirtbike of the decade??? Post up some suggestions and then we will make it a poll for the top 5.

The person with the best explanation why the bike is the symbol of this decade will win a prize for the DBW shop.

crofty
12-01-2010, 08:35 AM
Gotta be the 2003 Yamaha WR's, with the "Compact and lightweight electric starter with kickstarter" and "Convenient handlebar mounted hot start lever"

I sure don't miss kicking them over on the side of a stinking hill ^alc

XCgeek
12-01-2010, 09:25 AM
How about the KTM 300 EXC-E

Bringing electric start to the two stroke

2T4ME
12-01-2010, 09:47 AM
I wish i'd ridden a bike from this decade....^duh

from looking at numbers when ever i'm out i would have to think it would be a blue bike...

OZX
12-01-2010, 10:05 AM
Well for mine it is the '00 KTM RFS 400/520.

Light weight (relative to its competition)
Electric Start (Really a first for its class)
Reliable

It was KTM that made the other manufacturers step up and develop better trail bikes for all of us.
That is a sign of a great bike that others choose to emulate.

Nutty
12-01-2010, 10:07 AM
Ok guys, what has been the best dirtbike of the decade???

Given that bikes get better every year (mostly) it would have to be a very late model.....

Best new bike I've ridden: 2010 Berg 390 gets my vote.

Worst 2010 model I've ridden: Husky 310.

Opinion only...

p.s The decade isn't over

Year 1 AD = 1st year
Year 10AD = Last year of 1st decade
Year 2010AD= Last year of 20th decade

This is what happens when we read the paper and listen to news written by morons who can't do basic maths.....sadly, we're too poorly educated to pick it up.

Jonesy400
12-01-2010, 10:13 AM
suzuki drz 400. elec start watercooled 400cc dual purpose go anywhere bike. basicaly unchanged in 10 years still in the top five sellers raced in mx enduro, desert and motard. top end tour operators weapon of choice for years.

XCgeek
12-01-2010, 10:16 AM
p.s The decade isn't over

Year 1 AD = 1st year
Year 10AD = Last year of 1st decade
Year 2010AD= Last year of 20th decade

This is what happens when we read the paper and listen to news written by morons who can't do basic maths.....sadly, we're too poorly educated to pick it up.


However, all the new models for the decade have been released

Simon
12-01-2010, 10:52 AM
How about the KTM 300 EXC-E

Bringing electric start to the two stroke

never ridden one but this would be the best i would say'

electric start 300 2 banger low down torque plenty of get up and oh shit handles well

all the others are the same just different colours.

wrf450 = crf450=450ecx=so on and so on they are all so close.

The Berg with the new motor was the biggest departure but has it made "That" much of an impact???

Watching Moto the movie and the guys throwing the 300's around. gets my vote






wait i voted orange ^BGHD^BGHD^BGHD^BGHD^BGHD

mollystaff
12-01-2010, 11:04 AM
p.s The decade isn't over

Year 1 AD = 1st year
Year 10AD = Last year of 1st decade
Year 2010AD= Last year of 20th decade

This is what happens when we read the paper and listen to news written by morons who can't do basic maths.....sadly, we're too poorly educated to pick it up.

It all depends, is 1st Jan 0001 the end of the first year or the start of the first year, generally 0 would be the point of origin therefore the start of the first calendar year.
When you turned 1, you had already lived a year, by comparison, that would make 2010 the end of the 2010th year.

Maybe i'm a moron, or not?

muleboy79
12-01-2010, 11:14 AM
2003 CR125, coz I ride one.

insomniac_jc
12-01-2010, 11:26 AM
Not a hell of a lot has changed this decade has it? We've seen the introduction of EFI that's about it. So with that in mind my vote would have to go to Husaberg as it's really the only bike that has evolved. As far as the most successful I'd have to say the 300EXC or WR Yamahas.

Tobey
12-01-2010, 11:45 AM
suzuki drz 400. elec start watercooled 400cc dual purpose go anywhere bike. basicaly unchanged in 10 years still in the top five sellers raced in mx enduro, desert and motard. top end tour operators weapon of choice for years.

What he said :)

zedbike
12-01-2010, 11:51 AM
Has to be the burg cause no-one else has created something as new as it, and they work well too.

DRZ400....ummm I think it had to be designed in the 2000's at least to be a valid entry...fair dinkum, I know people have loyalties but this is bordering on delusional

rabskyline
12-01-2010, 11:55 AM
2007 ktm 450
class leading bike of its time,millions of them around,great looking bike and go for ever !

2021
12-01-2010, 11:58 AM
XR650R, Cheap, Ease of maintenance, Reliability,Massive parts availability, Easy to own, Mega race success in the US and Australia, Baja, Finke,Condo 750, Aussie safari etc. Next choice would have to be the KTM520-525exc, great bikes.

Cheers


We're talking this decade.

XR650Rs were a 90s model bike remember.

XR650s have done little to further trail biking as most practice it today. There we so unpopular they only lasted 5 years into this decade as a sales item. Win on Sunday sell on Monday didnt work for Honda. It was win on Sunday with massive factory backing, ignore the market on Monday.

In fact arguably it drove people away from Honda to KTM and Yamaha. The 530 is a stella bike.

disco
12-01-2010, 12:07 PM
'00 520rfs
'02 crf450r
'01 yz/wr250f
'03 wr450f
'09 berg 450

megsy
12-01-2010, 12:11 PM
We're talking this decade.

XR650Rs were a 90s model bike remember.

XR650s have done little to further trail biking as most practice it today. There we so unpopular they only lasted 5 years into this decade as a sales item. Win on Sunday sell on Monday didnt work for Honda. It was win on Sunday with massive factory backing, ignore the market on Monday.

In fact arguably it drove people away from Honda to KTM and Yamaha. The 530 is a stella bike.

Ummm the first XR650R was the 2000 year model. Model run went from 2000 to 2006 in australia and it went longer in the US. So it fits the criteria for this poll. BTW its STELLAR.

Sol Erzenberg
12-01-2010, 12:19 PM
We're talking this decade.

XR650Rs were a 90s model bike remember.

XR650s have done little to further trail biking as most practice it today. There we so unpopular they only lasted 5 years into this decade as a sales item. Win on Sunday sell on Monday didnt work for Honda. It was win on Sunday with massive factory backing, ignore the market on Monday.

In fact arguably it drove people away from Honda to KTM and Yamaha. The 530 is a stella bike.

Didnt Honda continue making/selling them until 2008 (US market) ?

minisman
12-01-2010, 12:25 PM
going by everyones reasoning for choosing the burgers I think the BMW 450X would trump them for ingenuity....except it didnt work right.

plus the answer for everyone should be "my bike" obviously you would be riding the bike that you thought is the best of the decade.

2021
12-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Didnt Honda continue making/selling them until 2008 (US market) ?

I thought we were talking Australian models?

if you could be bothered, I think you'll find 2005 was the actual last year they were made.

I remember a Honda ad about it.

rabskyline
12-01-2010, 12:37 PM
plus the answer for everyone should be "my bike" obviously you would be riding the bike that you thought is the best of the decade.


that would make me a lying carnt ! :laughing-

Sol Erzenberg
12-01-2010, 12:38 PM
I thought we were talking Australian models?

if you could be bothered, I think you'll find 2005 was the actual last year they were made.

I remember a Honda ad about it.

I almost bought a new XR650R 2006 model but ended up buying the 625SXC.

I get the impression that you personally dislike or hate the XR650R's, did you own one or have a bad experience on a mate's bike ?

450MAN
12-01-2010, 12:48 PM
Im putting my vote in for any of the years WR's. Any manufacturer that can produce a top notch bike in 2000 and only change the frame and plastics for ten years and still produce one of the most reliable high performance bikes has done something right from day dot :grinning-
And because I own one :D

megsy
12-01-2010, 12:54 PM
I thought we were talking Australian models?

if you could be bothered, I think you'll find 2005 was the actual last year they were made.

I remember a Honda ad about it.

Australian models? I didnt realise that there are models solely designed for the Aust market.(Other than adr specific items).
Please enlighten me.

I realise that an XR of any variety can never win a poll such as this. The XR650r is my choice. Its MY opinion. Thats all,nothing more.

As for the 530 i wouldnt touch one. Bring back the 525!

megsy
12-01-2010, 12:56 PM
Im putting my vote in for any of the years WR's. Any manufacturer that can produce a top notch bike in 2000 and only change the frame and plastics for ten years and still produce one of the most reliable high performance bikes has done something right from day dot :grinning-
And because I own one :D

Alot of good points here.

2021
12-01-2010, 01:01 PM
I almost bought a new XR650R 2006 model but ended up buying the 625SXC.

I get the impression that you personally dislike or hate the XR650R's, did you own one or have a bad experience on a mate's bike ?

Im a Honda big bore fan - but wanted a modern reliable Honda big bore - something alongside my 628 that relfected the times - it the 2000s.

My disappointment with the 650R lay in more that I had to build what I wanted from Honda.

When you consider that the WR400/450 were slim, had estart and decent carburators and then the big katoom 520/525 had a 6th gear - why didnt Honda do something better?

The 650R had no USD, estart, slim ergos, good fuel economy, 6th gear etc etc.

The WR and KTM sales told Honda precisley what we wanted (because they sold in droves), but they just ignored it. If you recall Honda really had the offroad market by the balls in the previous decade and I thought they would offer product which would keep up with the times.

So we at today and there is no current technology big bore Honda bike capable of ADV riding - or is there?

Anyway I vote for the bikes which I think forced more changes on bikes we buy and that had to go to the war between the WR and KTM 4 strokes. Both these models have brought trail bikes out of the 80s and much more up to current tech times. The rest of the bike makers played catch up. Even though I own a CRF and an XR I still happy to recognise that without Yamaha and KTM we'd still be riding on old tech.

rabskyline
12-01-2010, 01:05 PM
africa twin.yes i know its old..

Dirt_Devil
12-01-2010, 01:30 PM
i'll toss up the DRZ400 and the WR250/450

davef
12-01-2010, 01:33 PM
+1 for DRZ400 (and happy to admit a bias).
Sales numbers continue to increase, to the extent that it was top seller in the off road category 2009 -- pretty remarkable for a bike released in 2000!
Was for a time almost alone in its capacity class as others moved to 450cc, but has been so successful that others have come back into the 300-400 category in past few years.
Has demonstrated to the manufacturers that there is a market for reliable, consistent, do-anything performance with minimal maintenance. If it had been dropped in 2006 when Honda dropped the XRs, that choice would have gone forever. We should be very grateful it made sure the other manufacturers were not able to ignore that there was still a strong desire for that type of off road motorcycling!

frocket
12-01-2010, 01:58 PM
would have to be the yamaha wrs the first to and only to create the 5 valve head with light weight titanium valved high performance 4 stroke motor along with the reliability factor that forced all other manufactures to follow suit yet as good as the others are yamaha where the guinea pigs for the 4 stroke move and have proved to still be the most reliable out of the class and showed everyone that said in the world of motox and enduro racing that a 4 stroke could not match or beat a 2 stroke on a track wrong.so it was these bikes that really changed the face of dirt bikes

Brugger
12-01-2010, 02:05 PM
WR450 ^nana

timd450
12-01-2010, 02:19 PM
WRs then DRZ

Dirt_Devil
12-01-2010, 02:20 PM
WRs then DRZ

i'll second that, its probably what I should hav written.

Jonesy400
12-01-2010, 02:40 PM
would have to be the yamaha wrs the first to and only to create the 5 valve head with light weight titanium valved high performance 4 stroke motor along with the reliability factor that forced all other manufactures to follow suit yet as good as the others are yamaha where the guinea pigs for the 4 stroke move and have proved to still be the most reliable out of the class and showed everyone that said in the world of motox and enduro racing that a 4 stroke could not match or beat a 2 stroke on a track wrong.so it was these bikes that really changed the face of dirt bikes

very good comment:tick

Bront450
12-01-2010, 02:42 PM
Im putting my vote in for any of the years WR's. Any manufacturer that can produce a top notch bike in 2000 and only change the frame and plastics for ten years and still produce one of the most reliable high performance bikes has done something right from day dot :grinning-
And because I own one :D

I think KTM might have done something a bit the same only with less changes. It already had elec. start, didn't need a alloy frame.
I think the new berg has to be the winner it has all the lattest goodes you can poke a stick at.

v8r
12-01-2010, 02:47 PM
WR series, with WR-R as best new talent.. light weight, efi, touring capable, sub-300c, decent power, 6sp, easy to mod..
its the modern day TTR250 ^nana

Simon
12-01-2010, 02:47 PM
we talking "best" or "most popular" "most sales" "most out there on the trails" etc etc etc.

cause the DRZ aint the best. No dont try and tell me otherwise. Its the honda nifty of the trail bike world.

WRF is Good bloody good so bloody good I bought one. (i know that means shit right). But the best????

The discusion is what is the "BEST" offroad bike.

what makes it the "Best"

TonyH
12-01-2010, 02:55 PM
what makes it the "Best"

Motorcycles are completely unpractical and strange devices that do nothing better than stir boy-like (or girl-like?) silly feelings into the pit of the stomach of grown men (or women).

The best would have to stir the most silliest feeling into the pit of your guts? Or give you the biggest stiffy. :love2

How long's a piece of string? Twice one end to the centre :)

I love my RMX. Not my favourite bike to ride in many ways, and I ride heaps faster on 4T's for some reason, but man that thing makes me grin like a maniac! ^skl


But my answer to the question, for an all round can do a bit of everything, it'd be hard to go past a YZ250F? Apart from the maintenance...

Tom68
12-01-2010, 02:57 PM
Gas Gas 300 and an '06 KX250, What have I won?

cam250f
12-01-2010, 03:05 PM
yamaha yz250f :laughing-

out_in_front
12-01-2010, 03:06 PM
This is easy

http://www.servicehonda.com/images/stories/10_bikes/Honda/Honda_500AF/09_500af.1.jpg

Followed by

http://www.servicehonda.com/images/stories/10_bikes/Kawasaki/Kawasaki_KX500AF/kawasaki_kx500af.sid.jpg

Anything else is soft... These have two of the best engines ever made, with more power and torque than any other lightweight competition based bike availible (Maico and ATK exploders not included) Matched to Modern chassis and suspension - and they are lighter than the bikes they are based on.

The only problem is fuel consumption.... But that isn't great in most dirtbikes...

Nutty
12-01-2010, 03:24 PM
This is easy
http://www.servicehonda.com/images/stories/10_bikes/Honda/Honda_500AF/09_500af.1.jpg


Oooohh, I forgot about the mighty AF and AFX, can I change my vote?

Simon
12-01-2010, 03:40 PM
A CRF with only "Power" Valves. :tick
It stops :tick
it goes :tick :tick:tick
It turns :tick:tick:tick
Its reliable :tick

Its avaliable to everyone:tick Oh wait.....


Very very good bike

Tokwan
12-01-2010, 04:03 PM
I wish i'd ridden a bike from this decade....^duh

from looking at numbers when ever i'm out i would have to think it would be a blue bike...

I have a friend.

dirtpilot72
12-01-2010, 04:41 PM
01 Yamaha WR/YZ 250F

Pigdog
12-01-2010, 05:15 PM
Without a doubt the Zero X
http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/171740-2/Zero_X_Electric_Bike_DSC_0312.jpg
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2009/4/zero-s.jpg
http://www.electricbikee.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/zero-electric-bike.jpg

A consumer accessible electric bike that means we will be able to enjoy our sport into the future. Even if it is not 'the' bike we are all riding in 10 years time, it will be the first of many to follow.

2021
12-01-2010, 05:20 PM
I dont think the 650r needed a 6th gear mine will happily sit on 100kmh plus, all day with 15-47 gearing and still rip your arms off down low. As for USD forks I actually prefer conventional forks. I do agree with you on the e-start though.
I think Ive seen your 628 on Thumpertalk. Very nice machine, probably the most modded XR600r anywhere. The frame on the XR600 was the same frame from the late 80's to the last XR600 in 2000. Its wrong to compare a XR600 to the Alloy framed, liquid cooled 650R. As much as I love the XR600 you probably shouldve put all that money into a 650r. Funny how people have different tastes. I had a CRF450x before my 650r and couldnt wait to sell it after only 2 rides on the piece of s*#t. Dont start me on the 450X airbox what a f@#%en disaster that is.

Cheers

Yeap that's my XR628

I guess I wasnt comparing my 600 to the 650R but the 650R to what else was available. The 650R has great qualities - I just now of the opinion that other bikes have better qualities. The other bikes available at the time of the 650R walloped it. Not having a simple thing like estart is just pathetic in 2006.

The 650R clearly had boundless power but it didnt handle as well as the 600 or more importantly than the bikes it would be compared to. The smaller CC bikes made almost as much power yet didnt flog you silly at the end of the day.

I'm more than happy to admit my XR needed work - hence me doing so much to it!!!!

I think one of the biggest changes is the ergos - big hump tank bikes are almost gone thank christ.


Anyway we could go on and on - the XR legend is dead and Honda are intent on replacing it with the CRF line.

My brand loyalty is now done with Honda. I wont buy another Jap brand but a KTM is looking far more likely.

My next bike is a 2009 era KTM530 set up for longer distance. It's the sort of bike Honda could have made a CRF into (boring it out a little) but as we have seen cant/wont.

2021
12-01-2010, 05:27 PM
Without a doubt the Zero X
http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/gallery.php/d/171740-2/Zero_X_Electric_Bike_DSC_0312.jpg
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2009/4/zero-s.jpg
http://www.electricbikee.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/zero-electric-bike.jpg

A consumer accessible electric bike that means we will be able to enjoy our sport into the future. Even if it is not 'the' bike we are all riding in 10 years time, it will be the first of many to follow.

PD not at 10Gs. 10Gs for what?

I dont think these bikes will do well because they are not a dirt bike as we know it - ie an IC engine.

To provide less utility than a dirt bike means they need to reduce the price - IMO drastically. I'd pay between 2-3 K for the less utility but would put a massive switch on it reducing wattage to sub 200 watts and so enabling me to ride trails not the domain of a normal IC dirtbike.

I look at these bikes as somewhere between a dirtbike and a MTB.

DrDan
12-01-2010, 05:33 PM
Rated purely on perfomance^ton

'00 400/520EXC light weight modern thumpers that trumped the WR at its own game by being lighter, more powerful and better handling, and had e-start. The first of the modern thumper as we currently configure them. This incarnation lasted seven years with only minor updates whilst consistently being praised as one of the best.

07 WRF450 brought the WR back to the front of the pack after nearly a decade of dumbing down by Yamaha. No single outstanding attribute but a remarkably good overall package. Even more remarkable following the 06 WR which is the least remarkable WR ever made.

08 450FSR - the first of the programable EFI 4Ts with batteryless capable kickstart all bundled in a top notch chasis.

the WR400 should rate a mention but doesn't qualify because its a 90's model:)

Moo
12-01-2010, 05:37 PM
My picks...

07 KTM 300 EXC-E - first elec start 2 stroke

00 450/520 EXC RFS - 1st light weight elec start competition bike

ggg
12-01-2010, 06:11 PM
Rated purely on perfomance^ton

'00 400/520EXC light weight modern thumpers that trumped the WR at its own game by being lighter, more powerful and better handling, and had e-start. The first of the modern thumper as we currently configure them. This incarnation lasted seven years with only minor updates whilst consistently being praised as one of the best.

07 WRF450 brought the WR back to the front of the pack after nearly a decade of dumbing down by Yamaha. No single outstanding attribute but a remarkably good overall package. Even more remarkable following the 06 WR which is the least remarkable WR ever made.

08 450FSR - the first of the programable EFI 4Ts with batteryless capable kickstart all bundled in a top notch chasis.

the WR400 should rate a mention but doesn't qualify because its a 90's model:)

I agree with Dan the KTM's 4Ts have been ontop of the game for the most part of the last 10 years

As for Bike inovation, hands down its the Gas Gas 450 FSR 08, lucky i have one.
1st EFI bike 2004,
1st Slipper Clutch on a standard production bike 06
1st Re Programmable EFI, 08
1st Battery less EFI, 08
What other Brand has had more inovation over a 4 year production period?

insomniac_jc
12-01-2010, 06:18 PM
07 KTM 300 EXC-E - first elec start 2 stroke

Yamaha had electric start 2Ts in the early 70s I owned one years ago just like this.

http://perth.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-motorbikes-motorcycles-scooters-YAMAHA-DT125-AT3-W0QQAdIdZ176219136

out_in_front
12-01-2010, 07:09 PM
Do the EFI 2 stroke TM's count? theoretically they were released last year (overseas) but they should be coming into australia this year...

Maybe we already have a contender for next decades Best Offroad bike...

Edit - not released at all yet, although prototypes have been done. hopefully 2011 lineup

Krackers
12-01-2010, 07:49 PM
This is a toughy....

For me, personally the 125 Thumpstar has been fully sick, especially in matters of emergency transport when Shazza is asking for some durries from down the Safeways.

But,

I find it hard to shy away from my hardcore mouther *@#&*@#&*@#&*@#&er QA 50 because when I ride that, I know things were meant to be better than this....

Hivisibility
12-01-2010, 08:18 PM
A bike that has evolved from a good bike to a great bike, excellent ergos, the most versatile engine around, top resale and has also propped smokers p by its' reputation alone, popular with all, even diehard 4T riders say "of course it will it's a KTM300, does nothing wrong and everything if not at the top bloody close to the top, some have better steering, some have better handling, none have better brakes, none have better desirability amongst many, and none have a better package.
Even the PDS has become liveable for most, and everyday, everymans bike, wether at erzberg or toolin' around the farm, and I don't even own one but I tips me hat to them for flying a huge flag, not just for 2T, but dirtbikes in general.

Moo
12-01-2010, 08:21 PM
Yamaha had electric start 2Ts in the early 70s I owned one years ago just like this.

http://perth.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-motorbikes-motorcycles-scooters-YAMAHA-DT125-AT3-W0QQAdIdZ176219136

Yamaha must have thought it would never work or be of any use on a dirtbike.:rr

Shrek
12-01-2010, 08:22 PM
"guys"

WTF :vomit-smi

robo67
12-01-2010, 09:07 PM
sherco 250i-f

mickv
12-01-2010, 09:17 PM
Yamaha must have thought it would never work or be of any use on a dirtbike.:rr

They used it again in the 90's on the DT230.

dags
12-01-2010, 09:23 PM
However, all the new models for the decade have been released

not so

dags
12-01-2010, 09:25 PM
my top 5

the bikes that win the 2010 :laughing-

ERZBERG
BAJA
FINKE
WEC
GNCC

mickv
12-01-2010, 11:14 PM
I'd say the Yammy WR range, one of the few bikes you can recommend to anyone from beginner to expert. They may not do anything the "best" but they do everything "good" and are as reliable as an axe, There the toyota of the dirtbike world.

grantsy
13-01-2010, 01:32 AM
Well for mine it is the '00 KTM RFS 400/520.

Light weight (relative to its competition)
Electric Start (Really a first for its class)
Reliable

It was KTM that made the other manufacturers step up and develop better trail bikes for all of us.
That is a sign of a great bike that others choose to emulate.

+1 :tick, and not cause i've got one i have mates with 09 mod bikes and these early RFS bikes still hold there own in many ways, still light, matienence aint too bad, as stated elec start first, hold good value on the market. It's still too early for EFI bikes too rule the roost for me but who know's yet? I couldn't go new but that bike felt new still for a 6 year old when i got it.;onf

Battered Sav
13-01-2010, 01:36 AM
This is a toughy....

For me, personally the 125 Thumpstar has been fully sick, especially in matters of emergency transport when Shazza is asking for some durries from down the Safeways.

But,

I find it hard to shy away from my hardcore mouther *@#&*@#&*@#&*@#&er QA 50 because when I ride that, I know things were meant to be better than this....

^rof

Hard question, one man's passion is another man's poison.

Yamaha - the Toyota of the bike world, I like that. :)
KTM - So many good models over the decade.
Gas Gas - made huge inroads to the market with a very competitive machine.
BMW - might have not quite hit the mark, 10 points for effort.
Husaberg - What an update and quite a departure from the norm.
And the list goes on.

Whatever you think is the "best" you have to admit that we are probably in one of the best times ever for options in off road motorcycles.

It's good to be spoilt. :)

becky
13-01-2010, 06:08 AM
NO 1:tick
Yamaha wr 450f
tractable engine
^nana predictable suspension ^nana
user friendly nature
“If you want the
best all–round bike, the Yamaha is it.”

^nana

UZI
13-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Without a doubt the first of the YZ400/WR 400's
These bikes are the reason everyone is riding 4strokes now - almost everyone:laughing-


Second would be KTM 400/520 2000 - Why because before they changed a lot of peoples opinions about european bikes, especially KTM:
- they were light, electric start, had smooth clutches and were well set up stock out of the crate and reliable AND had top shelf components.
Notice how other manufacturers now offer quality brakes and handlebars instead of the liquorice type they used to put on their bikes.

dirtboy
13-01-2010, 06:26 PM
I'd have to say the first WRF 400. It changed the way we thought about 4 stroke dirt bikes. Probably the first reliable high performance 4 stroke which stirred the what still seems the unstopable evolution of light weight volume market 4 bangers. & 2 years of antisipatory marketing by Yamaha to keep everyones interest before they released it to Joe public.

scott1967
13-01-2010, 07:38 PM
i,m with jonesy 400, sales figures are proof people want a bike great allrounder, not the lateset or greatest,but,reliable@low maintance:laughing-

Bathy
13-01-2010, 07:46 PM
wasn't the yz/wr400f released in '98?

hence forth, since the engine design hasn't really changed
I can't see how the WR450f can be in this decade.

This same line of thought may just out the wr250f as well.
Nah, it can stay, different class from 400/450.

I also believe the DRZ400 was released in 1999.

and even though the XR650R was released in 2000, how did it win the Baja in '98?

Nothing from this decade has made me go, ooohh, ahhhhh, i want one.
Hence, I haven't updated.

Alloy frames, E-start, injection and 6 speed boxes are starting to sway me though :laughing-
If only all bikes came with stainless valves standard.

frocket
13-01-2010, 08:06 PM
wasn't the yz/wr400f released in '98?

hence forth since the engine design hasn't really changed
I can't see how the WR450f can be in this decade.

This same line of though may just out the wr250f as well.
Nah, it can stay, different class from 400/450.

I also believe the DRZ400 was released in 1999.

and even though the XR650R was released in 2000, how did it win the Baja in '98?

Nothing from this decade has made me go, ooohh, ahhhhh, i want one.
Hence, I haven't updated.

Alloy frames, E-start, injection and 6 speed boxes are starting to sway me though :laughing-
If only all bikes came with stainless valves standard.

maybe but you ride a 98 400 power delivery and handling doesnt even compare to the new models 450s

wazza
13-01-2010, 09:02 PM
Given that bikes get better every year (mostly) it would have to be a very late model.....

Best new bike I've ridden: 2010 Berg 390 gets my vote.

Worst 2010 model I've ridden: Husky 310.

Opinion only...

p.s The decade isn't over

Year 1 AD = 1st year
Year 10AD = Last year of 1st decade
Year 2010AD= Last year of 20th decade

This is what happens when we read the paper and listen to news written by morons who can't do basic maths.....sadly, we're too poorly educated to pick it up.

Do you mean last year of the first decade of the 21st century or 2000 last year of the 20th century? Not like you to get things wrong Prof.

As for the bike that impressed me the most after riding it, the Yamaha WR450 2-Trac. It's a damn shame that bike didn't go into volume production at a sensible price.

MKB
13-01-2010, 09:07 PM
Ok guys, what has been the best dirtbike of the decade???

If we are voting for the best bike, not the bike that has changed our perception, most reliable or the best selling bike, The KTM300exc 2009 model has got to be right up there. Lighter than any fourstroke, enough power to suit anyone, easily tunable power with 3 different powervalve springs and switchable ignition maps, great suspension and handling, low vibration especially compared to earlier KTM300's and other 2 strokes, and even compared to most 4 strokes plus a 11 litre tank standard with a fuel range that most modern 4 strokes can only dream of. They are a very capable fire trail and High Country tourer, fast and lightweight for single track and even great fun around a motocross track with standard suspension. It even has electric start!
All this is from a 4 stroke Yamaha rider.

JCat
13-01-2010, 10:08 PM
How about the YZ250??
In a decade that saw Honda, Kawasaki, and Suzuki kill off their 250 2t smokers forever...
Yamaha stayed strong and continues to manufacture one of the best 2 stroke mx and enduro(when set up appropriately) bikes ever made.
Millions around the world hopes that this continues as the YZ250 is for many the best choice in 2t riding..

insomniac_jc
13-01-2010, 10:50 PM
BS it's the CT110 people. The best bike this decade, last decade and probably the one before that too. So good even Husaberg copied it. :laughing-

Battered Sav
14-01-2010, 01:08 AM
Do you mean last year of the first decade of the 21st century or 2000 last year of the 20th century? Not like you to get things wrong Prof.

As for the bike that impressed me the most after riding it, the Yamaha WR450 2-Trac. It's a damn shame that bike didn't go into volume production at a sensible price.

Last year of the 201st decade ^dunno

Jimmy
14-01-2010, 01:16 AM
p.s The decade isn't over

Isnt the decimal system 0-9?

2010 is the first year of the second decade of the 21st century by my counting.

dags
14-01-2010, 01:35 AM
I'll say it for you Dags. BETA 450RR ^nana.

IMO, worth a mention and consideration.

First released in late 05 in 400RR, 450RR and 525RR full ADR versions. An Italian built bike with 07 KTM power plants.
BETA have been producing bikes for over 100 years. In the past couple of decades they've predominantly built Trials bikes but did build Enduro, MX and Scramble bikes in their earlier years as well. They are one of the oldest bike manufactures/producers in the world.

Beta makes the frames and swingarms in-house for the RR's, most everything else is made up with top shelf after market parts, including:

Excell rims.
Braking wave disc rotors.
Braided brake lines.
Billet hubs.
Billet tripple clamps.
Recon handle bars with Domino grips
Full Arrows stainless/alloy exhaust system
Sacs rear shock and Marzocchi 45mm front suspension.
Super Sprox rear sprocket.
Twinn air, Air filter.
UFO plastics with a "real" sticker kit as standard.
Etc, etc. As standard.

I paid $11.500.00 OTR for my 08 model in 08. It came with a racing led tail light, Motard chain and sprockets plus the usual in the spares kit.

In the USA you can also get the "Race" version 450RR which has:

Full titanium Leo Vince exhaust system.
51mm Marzocchi front suspension and red billet tripple clamps.
Full team race grafix.
Alloy/steel rear Super Sprox anodized red sprocket.
Carbon bash plate.
Carbon frame guards.
Etc,etc. As standard.

Some results for 09:

Baja 500. Outright win open class. 432 "miles" 9 hours and 33 minutes "flat out" on an almost stock bike (Higher capacity radiators) and with only 1 rear tyre change and 1 air filter change. 3 riders.

Glen Helen 12 hour.

A podium finish in the FIM World Enduros.

For 2010, a whole new bike with an in-house built DOHC 4 valve carby aspirated motor.

Not bad for a little under 5 years.

Willow

What he said :tick

Plus, air box intake at rear guard height
Flip out battery box
Bash plate & Frame guards - standard
Halogen Headlight
Handlebar mounted on the fly dashboard switch selector
AWESOME Brakes

Maintenance friendly, an easy bike to ride, goes under water :laughing-, parts are readily available & extremely affordable

dirtboy
14-01-2010, 06:06 AM
wasn't the yz/wr400f released in '98?

hence forth, since the engine design hasn't really changed
I can't see how the WR450f can be in this decade.

This same line of thought may just out the wr250f as well.
Nah, it can stay, different class from 400/450.

I also believe the DRZ400 was released in 1999.

and even though the XR650R was released in 2000, how did it win the Baja in '98?

Nothing from this decade has made me go, ooohh, ahhhhh, i want one.
Hence, I haven't updated.

Alloy frames, E-start, injection and 6 speed boxes are starting to sway me though :laughing-
If only all bikes came with stainless valves standard.

I've got nothing then. As just about everything on the market is an evolution of something from the previous decade regard less of make.:confused:

splint
14-01-2010, 11:28 AM
In my opinion the bike of this decade would have to be the yz25Of. In much the same way as the yz4OOf revolutionised the industry in the nineties, the 250f has done it in the nauties. No one even bothered racing motorcross on a 250 four stroke as they were heavy and slow and often only came with trail soft suspension. I dont think Yamaha had no idea how much this little bike would change the whole scene. Apart from ending the two stroke domination of the classes, we now see whole outright event wins.

minisman
14-01-2010, 12:17 PM
wasn't the yz/wr400f released in '98?

hence forth, since the engine design hasn't really changed
I can't see how the WR450f can be in this decade.

This same line of thought may just out the wr250f as well.
Nah, it can stay, different class from 400/450.

I also believe the DRZ400 was released in 1999.

and even though the XR650R was released in 2000, how did it win the Baja in '98?

Nothing from this decade has made me go, ooohh, ahhhhh, i want one.
Hence, I haven't updated.

Alloy frames, E-start, injection and 6 speed boxes are starting to sway me though :laughing-
If only all bikes came with stainless valves standard and an extra piston ring.


fixed it for you bathy, although maybe a 10L tank standard on any bike would be good too.

detoxdiet101
14-01-2010, 08:55 PM
p.s The decade isn't over

Year 1 AD = 1st year
Year 10AD = Last year of 1st decade
Year 2010AD= Last year of 20th decade

This is what happens when we read the paper and listen to news written by morons who can't do basic maths.....sadly, we're too poorly educated to pick it up.[/QUOTE]

Pete the first decade is over!
00-1
1-2
2-3
3-4
4-5
5-6
6-7
7-8
8-9
9-10
We are now in the 11th year of this century. Oh by the way I am going the ktm 200 (fun factor) pick your own year.

ditchwitch
14-01-2010, 09:20 PM
for me it's the Honda XR650R! sold with the intenion of dual sporting! but race at mx tracks across australia and the world!! in many classes from enduro, motard, and thumper cross/outdoor MX, micheal burne won the thumpers nats on it beating all the lighter more favored yz's and ktm etc:tick:tick

they have won the so many races the finke, condo 750, australian sarfari, baja 1000, (alot of honda dealer teams complain about how well the privateers run on there old xr650r's) the list can go on. i don't think they won any super x titles and i haven't seen an freestylers on 1:laughing-

honda have recived endless complaint about the end of the production!
shame they didn't have the forsight to update them with e"start and usd front suspension:confused:

there where pretty cheap new under $10 and super reliable!!!
i don't think i feel this way because i own! but because of how i feel about them i do:laughing- for a single bike it'll do the lot and bloody well to boot^roost

TeamKLX250
14-01-2010, 09:35 PM
Isnt the decimal system 0-9?

2010 is the first year of the second decade of the 21st century by my counting.

There was no year 0

Vertex
14-01-2010, 09:37 PM
except in cambodia

wazza
14-01-2010, 11:40 PM
p.s The decade isn't over

Year 1 AD = 1st year
Year 10AD = Last year of 1st decade
Year 2010AD= Last year of 20th decade

This is what happens when we read the paper and listen to news written by morons who can't do basic maths.....sadly, we're too poorly educated to pick it up.

Pete the first decade is over!
00-1
1-2
2-3
3-4
4-5
5-6
6-7
7-8
8-9
9-10
We are now in the 11th year of this century. Oh by the way I am going the ktm 200 (fun factor) pick your own year.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't employ you to work a cash register. Try taking your shoes and socks off and count again, Nutty Prof is right and you are wrong.

DrDan
15-01-2010, 08:39 AM
No one even bothered racing motorcross on a 250 four stroke as they were heavy and slow and often only came with trail soft suspension. I dont think Yamaha had no idea how much this little bike would change the whole scene. Apart from ending the two stroke domination of the classes, we now see whole outright event wins.

The class rules killed the 2T, the 250 smoker (or a 125 2T V 259 4T) is pushing the proverbial up a hill against a 450 thumper. The thumper has more torque, more hp and smoother delivery. The only string the 2T has is (lack of) weight. It's simply not a fair fight.

I remember Wattsy winning events outright on a 200 2T and Mr Meo(sp?) flogging everyong in the A4DE on a 125 2T. Talented riders have always been able to win on small capacity bikes.

I'm not saying the WR/YZ250F is not a good bike, it's just there are many much more deserving bikes out there.

Cocker
15-01-2010, 09:21 AM
Not much point in a bike of the decade if you have'nt lived/owned it..

For me, the bike would be the one I have enjoyed the most. xr400, it was a 2002 model, so qualifies. Reliable, low maintenance and best of all, fun.

gas gas 450 was a nicer bike to ride, but to much spanner time:confused: and not enough riding time

wr250f has had much riding time, so cannot comment, but feels good

cr500r was good fun to, handleing was just woeful, 1999mod, so doesnt qualify

splint
15-01-2010, 02:15 PM
I agree with you Dan but I think you've missed my point. when the yz25Of first came out it had the same horsepower as a xr4OO! This was mind boggling as know one would of ever believed that a 250 would out power a 400 four stroke. Before the yz25Of when was the last time 250f won an event outright? This bike was a revolution on wheels. :)

pollock
15-01-2010, 03:52 PM
When was the last time a YZF250 has won an outright event?

splint
15-01-2010, 04:52 PM
When was the last time a YZF250 has won an outright event?

I wouldn't know, I'm not a train-spotting anarak type :D But I'm sure you wouldn't have to look back to far........I seem to remember watching Metcalf (?) at the Oceanic at Barabool clean just about everyone one up on their 450s on his little YZ250f.

nitro circus
15-01-2010, 05:11 PM
Cr 500E the myth,the maddness, THE Legend
how many people can say they have riden one of these legally to work on monday morning
and maybe the only bike of the decade to go up in value with time

karlmagoo
15-01-2010, 05:22 PM
yamaha 2 trak
aprillia 450/550
ktm 300exc
Any 1 of these bikes, all innovative, 2 wheel drive dirtbike, v twin dirtbike, leccy start 2 stroke.

BIGBADAL
15-01-2010, 08:13 PM
None of the 450's anyway , i'll have a think and get back to youse guys . I have an engine of the decade though !

Brendan.N
15-01-2010, 08:40 PM
Its gotta be either Ktm 300 or WR450. Both are massive sellers, do a bloody good job at everything, more power than most of us need, but yet so rideable by such a wide span of rider talent or experience, reliable as f**k, highly desirable because of all these factors, in my opinion no other bikes tick as many boxes as these two.

alan
15-01-2010, 09:37 PM
got to be the ktm200 for the fun facter ^ton don t own one but want one prably not the most practical bike but good for short runs but prably would go as far as a wr450 on a tank of juice anyway

disco
16-01-2010, 08:20 AM
The class rules killed the 2T, the 250 smoker (or a 125 2T V 259 4T) is pushing the proverbial up a hill against a 450 thumper. The thumper has more torque, more hp and smoother delivery. The only string the 2T has is (lack of) weight. It's simply not a fair fight.

I remember Wattsy winning events outright on a 200 2T and Mr Meo(sp?) flogging everyong in the A4DE on a 125 2T. Talented riders have always been able to win on small capacity bikes.

I'm not saying the WR/YZ250F is not a good bike, it's just there are many much more deserving bikes out there.

The main advantage of the F's wasn't the peak number it was that they stayed within peak proximity for 3 x the rev range.

The YZ250F was the first time anyone thought of a 250 four stroke as anything else than a learner bike.

Look at how popular they became with the thumpernats ? that was an entire class riding YZ250F's because they were so good ?

It's certainly up there as bike of the decade. YZ400 would pip it if it wasn't last decade.

Gasser 400RFS was just a DRZ400 with a bad efi - KTM's RFS is up there... most of the two strokes were all recycled technology... TM's out of the dark ages. Really there isn't much that holds a candle to the YZ250F.

For most manufacturers the decade was about refinement. Even the berg is just the new XC4 motor turned on it's side. Less revolutionary than the YZ250F.

nawill
16-01-2010, 08:35 AM
wasn't the YZ400 a 200/2001 model ?
I agree with Disco....
the YZ250f...the start of the 4stroke revolution. race gates all over Australia were a line up of blue bikes for a few years, nothing else came close for ages...was it 2004 that the CRFcame out ?

yamaha 2 trak
aprillia 450/550
ktm 300exc
Any 1 of these bikes, all innovative, 2 wheel drive dirtbike, v twin dirtbike, leccy start 2 stroke.

the Aprillia would be close to the biggest FAILURE of the decade, what a flop that was. overweight,unreliable and poor support.
the only time i have seen one in the bush was when Gecko took one out for the first DBW xmas ride, and we left it chained to a tree in the forest because after a quick go, nobody wanted to ride it!!

....when was the last time you saw a 2trak on a ride?

Pigdog
16-01-2010, 08:39 AM
Isnt the decimal system 0-9?

2010 is the first year of the second decade of the 21st century by my counting.

p.s The decade isn't over

Year 1 AD = 1st year
Year 10AD = Last year of 1st decade
Year 2010AD= Last year of 20th decade

This is what happens when we read the paper and listen to news written by morons who can't do basic maths.....sadly, we're too poorly educated to pick it up.

There was no year 0

Pete the first decade is over!
00-1
1-2
2-3
3-4
4-5
5-6
6-7
7-8
8-9
9-10
We are now in the 11th year of this century. Oh by the way I am going the ktm 200 (fun factor) pick your own year.


Happy birthday baby Jesus.

Just pick a bike...............

Pigdog
16-01-2010, 08:53 AM
the Aprillia would be close to the biggest FAILURE of the decade, what a flop that was. overweight,unreliable and poor support.
the only time i have seen one in the bush was when Gecko took one out for the first DBW xmas ride, and we left it chained to a tree in the forest because after a quick go, nobody wanted to ride it!!

....when was the last time you saw a 2trak on a ride?


Funny you should mention that. Watching the Dakar for the last coupla weeks, and with the shift to more manufacturers, this is the first time I have paid attention to the Aprillia.

They seem to be going quite well. I know everyone swaps engines out, 9000km flat out is a long way, but they seem to be good rally bikes....

arrow
16-01-2010, 10:13 AM
KTM's RFS is up there....


KTM just ripped the ideas from Husaberg for their RFS engine

brentice2008
16-01-2010, 11:20 AM
My nuts are itchy

JCat
16-01-2010, 09:58 PM
wasn't the YZ400 a 200/2001 model ?
I agree with Disco....
the YZ250f...the start of the 4stroke revolution. race gates all over Australia were a line up of blue bikes for a few years, nothing else came close for ages...was it 2004 that the CRFcame out ?



the Aprillia would be close to the biggest FAILURE of the decade, what a flop that was. overweight,unreliable and poor support.
the only time i have seen one in the bush was when Gecko took one out for the first DBW xmas ride, and we left it chained to a tree in the forest because after a quick go, nobody wanted to ride it!!

....when was the last time you saw a 2trak on a ride?

98 was the first production YZ400.

out_in_front
16-01-2010, 10:09 PM
If you were going to argue that the YZ / WR 400 is the most influential (lets say of all time rather than the last decade) - remember this - Cannondale / ATK came up with the first 4 stroke MX bike that could win races / compete against the 2 strokes. This was 2 or 3 years before the YZ400's etc came out.

While they are crap now, back in the day they were revolutionary, they already had the reverse layout cylinder, a high revving 4V dual cam 450 (or was it 400?) and a relatively low weight. The yammies were only a better advancement of what they acheived.

Ttoks
16-01-2010, 10:34 PM
KTM just ripped the ideas from Husaberg for their RFS engine

lol the old oily, oil pump defitient, unreliable husaberg engine you mean?

splint
17-01-2010, 04:42 PM
If you were going to argue that the YZ / WR 400 is the most influential (lets say of all time rather than the last decade) - remember this - Cannondale / ATK came up with the first 4 stroke MX bike that could win races / compete against the 2 strokes. This was 2 or 3 years before the YZ400's etc came out.

While they are crap now, back in the day they were revolutionary, they already had the reverse layout cylinder, a high revving 4V dual cam 450 (or was it 400?) and a relatively low weight. The yammies were only a better advancement of what they acheived.

That is incorrect, in 1984 Jakie Martins won the World Motor-cross Championship on a four-stroke Husky...... this same engine was the basis for most of the European fourstroke engines which include; Husaberg, KTM, Vermatti and Vor.
Previously to that the last time a fourstroke won a World Champs was in 1968 and that bike was a BSA that was built entirely out of titainium.

Pigdog
17-01-2010, 04:49 PM
Why are we still arguing about the Yammi YZ/WR when it was a 98 model bike?

wal
17-01-2010, 05:22 PM
Malvern Star NO2 Bandit..with super skinny Buddy Love hubs^alc

nawill
17-01-2010, 05:23 PM
Why are we still arguing about the Yammi YZ/WR when it was a 98 model bike?

because it was still the only competitive 4t to have (especially in the lites class!) well into the early 200#'s,

it took till 2004(?) for the CRF to come out, and 2006 for the KTM 250 SXF to catch up...(I cant remember the year that the RMZ/KXF combo was released)...... and apart from the ally frame, the design did not change dramatically till the 2010 YZ.

Cannondale might have done the competitive 4t thing before...but it failed and is gone, hardly going to make bike of the decade when nobody can even remember seeing one!..... Husky won heaps of races on their 610's in the 90's but they were has-beens by the 2000's

Pigdog
17-01-2010, 05:28 PM
because it was still the only competitive 4t to have (especially in the lites class!) well into the early 200#'s,

it took till 2004(?) for the CRF to come out, and 2006 for the KTM 250 SXF to catch up...(I cant remember the year that the RMZ/KXF combo was released)...... and apart from the ally frame, the design did not change dramatically till the 2010 YZ.

Cannondale might have done the competitive 4t thing before...but it failed and is gone, hardly going to make bike of the decade when nobody can even remember seeing one!..... Husky won heaps of races on their 610's in the 90's but they were has-beens by the 2000's

I understand that, but that still means it was 1990s technology. I have one, and loved it, and will ride it again one day (I have all the bits).

wal
17-01-2010, 05:33 PM
And its got Geoffro Mixed Bearing Drive with Horizontal Pickup..wicked

ggg
17-01-2010, 05:53 PM
Any bike that was in production from 00 to 09 should qualify its does not matter when it started production, just as long as you could buy one new within those dates, Bike on the decade for me is not one model or year of production rather a series of models to be bike of the decade. Therefore

Motocross Yami 250F. Motor X was all blue back then.
Enduro's KTM 450/515 exc range. the trails are littered with orange.
Dual sport XR400 or DR 650, take your pick, xr could be an ex enduro model.

chrism
17-01-2010, 09:09 PM
The main advantage of the F's wasn't the peak number it was that they stayed within peak proximity for 3 x the rev range.

The YZ250F was the first time anyone thought of a 250 four stroke as anything else than a learner bike.

Look at how popular they became with the thumpernats ? that was an entire class riding YZ250F's because they were so good ?

It's certainly up there as bike of the decade. YZ400 would pip it if it wasn't last decade.

Gasser 400RFS was just a DRZ400 with a bad efi - KTM's RFS is up there... most of the two strokes were all recycled technology... TM's out of the dark ages. Really there isn't much that holds a candle to the YZ250F.

For most manufacturers the decade was about refinement. Even the berg is just the new XC4 motor turned on it's side. Less revolutionary than the YZ250F.

I second the YZ250f, 450f.

It's basis of pretty much everything we ride that's four stroke.

hards
17-01-2010, 09:55 PM
Well I reckon it was the 1200GSA as I believe it has had the most impact on people returning to the sport in this decade due to the success of Long Way Round and Long Way Down.

Ed sorry 1150gsa in LWR

splint
18-01-2010, 07:36 AM
correct me if I'm wrong but the yz25Of did not come out till 2000? I remember buying my 99 400 and I definately dont remember seeing a yz25Of on the brochures. So that would make the yz25Of qualify for bike of the decade.

wazza
18-01-2010, 11:21 AM
It's a silly argument anyway when EVERYBODY with any sense at all knows that the best bike ever built bar none was the 1981 490 Maico.
Discussion closed.

mule75
18-01-2010, 01:00 PM
i don't understand how people can say yamaha started the modern 4 stroke racing machine... maybe they were the first jap company to copy the euro 4 stroke racing machines of the time.

you could say they took the concept and made it easily available and more reliable than the husaberg of the same vintage but it was also beefier and less powerfull. better marketing definately.

Ryno
18-01-2010, 01:15 PM
How can you possible look past the yz400f and the yz250f. They kicked off the revolution, completely changing motocross, supercross and enduro's.

Ryno
18-01-2010, 01:17 PM
i don't understand how people can say yamaha started the modern 4 stroke racing machine... maybe they were the first jap company to copy the euro 4 stroke racing machines of the time.

you could say they took the concept and made it easily available and more reliable than the husaberg of the same vintage but it was also beefier and less powerfull. better marketing definately.

Are you kidding? 250 four strokes these days have as much power as the old school 600's!

mule75
18-01-2010, 01:31 PM
my point is that when the yz400f was released there was already bikes like the husaberg fe400 which were lighter, faster and had been around for a few years already. so how can people claim that yamaha were the pioneers of the current day high performance 4 strokes?

i have no doubt the yami's are a great bike, i had an 01 426 years back and it was a awesome bike. super reliable and powerfull.

DrDan
18-01-2010, 01:35 PM
How can you possible look past the yz400f and the yz250f. They kicked off the revolution, completely changing motocross, supercross and enduro's.

Um, for the 50th time, the 400F 2was first sold in 98. It's last decades model:p

The reason I don't rate the 250F as highly is that in my mind it was always gonna happen after the 400/426/450. The 400F was a revelation, the 250F was expected.^dunno

Hivisibility
18-01-2010, 03:44 PM
I thought the questions was "What is the best Offroad bike of the decade?" not "what bike revolutionised riding or was hyped up the most?"

So which is the most versatile or which does the best out of all them?

KTM300exc
Lightweight
Holds its own in almost any situation, fast flickable, can do open firetrail or tech S/T with easy
reliable as all, even some of the big 4T blokes are paced to match it's topend replacement hours.
As soon as one comes on the market it is snapped up, that sorta says it all really
Good everything, bad nothing


None said it had to have started off this decade, just be availiable this decade, stop arguing the parameters, they are set for us and see what the question is as it says.

Pigdog
18-01-2010, 03:50 PM
You can tune a ktm 300 to ride like a wr400 too

sickd
18-01-2010, 08:03 PM
lol the old oily, oil pump defitient, unreliable husaberg engine you mean?

thats the one, without the cylinder a crank case design your ktm would be like a jap bike.

gizmoe
18-01-2010, 11:49 PM
Honda CT110,

It outsells everything & is so good Hunda has barely changed it since the Dinosaurs were around, I even have a CT90 Trail with (8) gears in my shed from back in the days...

splint
19-01-2010, 08:06 AM
C'mon Keg, wheres the poll ;) lets get this sorted. I'll even nominate the GG 300ec aswell as the yz25Of!

Motoman76
19-01-2010, 08:16 AM
The postie - hasnt changed forever and they still top the sales!^alc

marty 400
28-01-2010, 09:04 PM
Its gotta be 2002 KTM 400 EXC, first competition enduro bike on the market with electric start,braided brake lines,tapered bars and decent handling.
It was miles ahead of the competition with technology until they finish production in late 2003.But the mighty 400 is back by popular demand and many magazines testing these against similar capacity machines agree that this is a perfect size for all applications.

frocket
28-01-2010, 09:06 PM
Its gotta be 2002 KTM 400 EXC, first competition enduro bike on the market with electric start,braided brake lines,tapered bars and decent handling.
It was miles ahead of the competition with technology until they finish production in late 2003.But the mighty 400 is back by popular demand and many magazines testing these against similar capacity machines agree that this is a perfect size for all applications.

and large toolbag to keep it going on the trails^ton

frocket
28-01-2010, 09:07 PM
when is the poll going up for this thread

oldfaithfull
28-01-2010, 09:09 PM
How can an unreliable, vertabrea crushing, whoop swapping, ORANGE, ring eating, oil burning bike be the best at anything?

marty 400
28-01-2010, 09:26 PM
Ahh the 426,rocket alright too much for most people and so they sold them anyway

rabskyline
28-01-2010, 09:30 PM
It's a silly argument anyway when EVERYBODY with any sense at all knows that the best bike ever built bar none was the 1981 490 Maico.
Discussion closed.


had one of these ! IT tried to kill me ! :laughing-



where's this supposed poll ? :confused:

Hivisibility
29-01-2010, 12:11 AM
had one of these ! IT tried to kill me ! :laughing-



where's this supposed poll ? :confused:

Aye Laddie yar be callin that a Caber wouldn't ye?

still be objective the 300exc in it's latest incarnation

Otherwise to deride as smelly ring chewing etc etc it is obviously objectionable

rabskyline
29-01-2010, 01:01 AM
i'd tap that and to think of it, is htere gonna be a poll for best "ride" of the decade ??

no names mentioned please !

hey bruce, i dotn toss my caber ever...... its too big and heavy mate ! all those caber tossers are big burly blokes wearing kilts and beards....like geoff capes ! i am sure shrek was based on this guy !!! ..:laughing-

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i110/rabskyline/GeoffCapes.jpg

KASUYAHO
31-01-2010, 11:42 AM
XR650R,
Never lost a race at Baja, never had a mechanical failure at Safari or Baja.
Can do anything on it, single track to touring.
Heaps of power, reliable, and lightest in it's class even to today.

numroe
05-02-2010, 01:05 AM
2007 ktm 450
class leading bike of its time,millions of them around,great looking bike and go for ever !Same can be said for the PW50, and for the last 2 decades. Great bike!

KASUYAHO
07-02-2010, 11:45 PM
Hows that when the Beta 450RR won last year?

Willow.

Yep i seen that, and good to see.

Hey did you know that it was Malcolm Smiths son that was riding that Beta 450.

Why i say good to see is because Honda need a kick in the pants.

John Campbell who is the manager of Honda US off road team.
Has stated the XR650R is a better bike than the CRF450.

I wonder when Honda will listen?

rabskyline
08-02-2010, 11:07 AM
Same can be said for the PW50, and for the last 2 decades. Great bike!

yer right, we got two (chinga copies here) :laughing-

RED1
08-02-2010, 11:31 AM
What about some of the old models that are still in production, DT175, KLR250?