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Azza88
15-05-2010, 09:52 PM
No doubt a lot of people on here drive modern common rail diesel vehicles. Just wanted to see if anyone are doing preformance mods to their utes? Eg high flow exhausts, bigger intercoolers (water to air maybe), chips, thermo fans etc. I've got a 09' 2.5lt Nissan Navara, I've done a 3' straight through exhaust with a new dump pipe from the turbo, wow what a difference. Turbo spools up really quick and towing up hills is quite a bit better, not to mention lower engine temps. I'm looking to do a chip next as my research shows good torque increases. If I had the money I would have brought a new landcruiser ute, you know the V8 diesel ones but I got the nav instead. :laughing-

Soooooo, is your new diesel ute stock or hauling arse with preformance mods? :laughing-

ADS426
15-05-2010, 10:07 PM
Hi I just got a Mazda BT50 dual cab 3.0D

It is stock standard that my work bought for me it gets so far 10l/100klm's which is what mazda told me and just with a mix of highway and city driving.

I think I have a 2" exhaust and for a diesel it goes pretty good I think first 1 I have ever had!!!!

Its pretty comffy too for a standard UTE..but I did want the Navara but it was a bit pricey DOH.....oh well I like the Mazda so I am happy^ton

raysa
15-05-2010, 10:14 PM
Got a 200 series landcruiser twin turbo v8, put a chip on it.
Claimed figures 235kw and 800nm. Next 3 inch exhaust. Goes great

Azza88
15-05-2010, 10:15 PM
Yeah I love the fuel economy of my navara. I get around 700km to a tank, only have to fill it every two weeks. I miss my v6 rodeo though, that thing hauled arse. I know I'll never get my diesel to go like a petrol, but I drove a mates new triton with a dp chip and it went like the clappers. Not sure what to do next? A chip or larger intercooler with a thermo fan?

bluerider
15-05-2010, 10:18 PM
Got a 200 series landcruiser twin turbo v8, put a chip on it.
Claimed figures 235kw and 800nm. Next 3 inch exhaust. Goes great

Showoff :)

Azza88
15-05-2010, 10:22 PM
Got a 200 series landcruiser twin turbo v8, put a chip on it.
Claimed figures 235kw and 800nm. Next 3 inch exhaust. Goes great

Nice ride, they go hard without any mods :laughing-

What chip did you go with?

Hammer456
15-05-2010, 10:23 PM
Yeah I love the fuel economy of my navara. I get around 700km to a tank, only have to fill it every two weeks. I miss my v6 rodeo though, that thing hauled arse. I know I'll never get my diesel to go like a petrol, but I drove a mates new triton with a dp chip and it went like the clappers. Not sure what to do next? A chip or larger intercooler with a thermo fan?

go the chip, it will provide probably better performance improvements across the board and especially mid range up torque :laughing- Hmm well that is what it has done for my 3lt . I might have to go a 3" exhaust on teh olde patrol that seems to be the done thing. Only other change I've heard is worth it is a water intercooler? though I have NFI on that one.

Shrek
15-05-2010, 10:37 PM
gas injection on mine, $4,500 worth of bling

if you want performance don't buy a diesel.

Azza88
15-05-2010, 10:43 PM
gas injection on mine, $4,500 worth of bling

if you want performance don't buy a diesel.

Does the gov still do a rebate on gas conversions?

nawill
15-05-2010, 10:54 PM
Is yours a gas on diesel system Shrek or a petrol with a vapour injection ?

I will shortly be in the market for a twin cab ute (second kid due shortly^nana)

i have been looking at Navara's/triton's, but i am thinking i can afford a new bike aswell as a ute if i drop my standards down to a Ranger/rodeo etc.....

but also with diesels being so overpriced, i have been considering a petrol ute and putting a vapour injection on it.
I have vapour injection on the wifes Territory and it now costs about the same to run as her laser before it did, with little performance loss:love2

(sorry for the short hijack Azza!)

Azza88
15-05-2010, 11:01 PM
Is yours a gas on diesel system Shrek or a petrol with a vapour injection ?

I will shortly be in the market for a twin cab ute (second kid due shortly^nana)

i have been looking at Navara's/triton's, but i am thinking i can afford a new bike aswell as a ute if i drop my standards down to a Ranger/rodeo etc.....

but also with diesels being so overpriced, i have been considering a petrol ute and putting a vapour injection on it.
I have vapour injection on the wifes Territory and it now costs about the same to run as her laser before it did, with little performance loss:love2

(sorry for the short hijack Azza!)

Shrek has a d-gas (diesel with gas setup) system from memory. Nawill I'd look at the d-max. If I had my time again I should have brought one of those

nawill
15-05-2010, 11:07 PM
Shrek has a d-gas (diesel with gas setup) system from memory. Nawill I'd look at the d-max. If I had my time again I should have brought one of those

I have heard good things about the gas on diesel sysytems....

The Dmax ute looks good, but as they seem relatively new, they are a bit out of my price range....i am really trying to keep in low $20k, sub 20K will pay for a new bike too:laughing-......hence the gas vapour injection idea

.....the older 3lt. Navara's, Rangers, Rodeo's etc. are more in my market...I think???

dags
15-05-2010, 11:24 PM
This just got unwrapped in Mackay, going into a Crewman, will be supercharged as well. :eek:

See it in Rocky in a couple of months

nawill
15-05-2010, 11:37 PM
pity it is going into a crewman:(

07400E
15-05-2010, 11:46 PM
Given you already have the bigger exhaust try a chip.

There is a new player in the maket called "Chipit" I think. They are about half the price of the others and claim good results.
If you are going to play around with chips it would be a good idea to get a EGT and boost gauge set up before you try a chip. Then you can get an idea of the changes and make sure your not overfuelling it.

I tried a DPchip and after some time on the dyno and sending it back for a reprogram I gave it back at the end of the 30 day refund period.
This was on a current dmax/rodeo/colorado engine.

Ttoks
15-05-2010, 11:51 PM
I have heard good things about the gas on diesel sysytems....

The Dmax ute looks good, but as they seem relatively new, they are a bit out of my price range....i am really trying to keep in low $20k, sub 20K will pay for a new bike too:laughing-......hence the gas vapour injection idea

.....the older 3lt. Navara's, Rangers, Rodeo's etc. are more in my market...I think???

the d-max's are great if you value for money are more important to you then ride and comfort, they're a good bit cheaper then all the other's, but the suspension is rough over crap road's and the interior is the least nice to sit in of all the duely's i've sat in, they're basicly the same as the rodeo's/collorado's under the skin, my old mans got a d-max, go's great, not as well as the navara's, but have more torque below 2 grand, and get's very good fuel economy (averages 7.5 liters per 100 so far)

RMJay84
15-05-2010, 11:54 PM
I'm running 2t oil in the diesel @ 200:1 with good results.

More info here: http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=76845

07400E
15-05-2010, 11:56 PM
Here you go ....

http://chipit.com.au/chipped_vehicles/nissan/navara_d40

brentice2008
16-05-2010, 12:14 AM
I think i needs wee

dags
16-05-2010, 12:36 AM
the d-max's are great if you value for money are more important to you then ride and comfort, they're a good bit cheaper then all the other's, but the suspension is rough over crap road's and the interior is the least nice to sit in of all the duely's i've sat in, they're basicly the same as the rodeo's/collorado's under the skin, my old mans got a d-max, go's great, not as well as the navara's, but have more torque below 2 grand, and get's very good fuel economy (averages 7.5 liters per 100 so far)

Is that using the on screen fuel calculator ?
it`s Kms/Ltr


Lts per 100, best i've ever got is 8, average is 10.

Good ute, but overpriced to the shithouse, & yep, interior is basic
Paint is crap & any little stone chip - the metal rusts pretty quick.
Off road - pretty bloody good.

raysa
16-05-2010, 07:48 AM
Nice ride, they go hard without any mods :laughing-

What chip did you go with?

Dp Chip, great warranty and service

Ttoks
16-05-2010, 08:42 AM
Is that using the on screen fuel calculator ?
it`s Kms/Ltr


Lts per 100, best i've ever got is 8, average is 10.

Good ute, but overpriced to the shithouse, & yep, interior is basic
Paint is crap & any little stone chip - the metal rusts pretty quick.
Off road - pretty bloody good.

nah mate, that's calculating at the pump, i didn't even know it had a fuel economy thingo on the computor?.

kady230
16-05-2010, 09:08 AM
http://www.thedieselexperts.com/index.html

Heard a lot of good reports about these guys Azza. I have heard of people driving down from Brisbane to get work done.

Might be worth a phone call anyway.

I can't help but for those interested, i just put a 3" mandrel bend exhaust with free flow muffler on my 98 Rodeo 2.8 Turbo diesel from the turbo back.

Had the injector pump adjusted and put Reconditioned injectors in the old girl.

Holy crap its like when it was new again. Runs sweet and will chirp my 5,000km old BFG tyres if im not careful. Anyone that has driven one of these knows that this is a hard task.

I use a Brisbane based shop for my work and im happy to pass on the details for anyone looking to give their Diesel some love.

buzuki
16-05-2010, 12:04 PM
diesel gas is a great thing, just costly.

i fit gas myself for a living, ive inly personally done 1 conversion which yielded awesome results, was on a 4.2 nissan patrol, power went up 40kw could go more but was conservative tune.

Ivan
16-05-2010, 12:22 PM
I have my 4 litre Hino 300 chiped with a Steinbauer unit. It brought the power up to almost what it should have standard. Didn't improve economy noticeably, still 20L+/100Km. I've asked Hino to check it several times and they always say It's within their parameters whatever that means. I don't drive the truck myself my dad does so I'm only going on what he tells me. My 4.6 litre Hino has a lot more power (they're rated the same) but still 18-22L/100K.

Hivisibility
16-05-2010, 12:46 PM
A mate of mine is a top line mechanic, he does gas fitting/troubleshooting on a couple of taxi fleets as well, he went through this whole debate a while back, ended up freshening up his '92 rodeo (built in workshop on the back was the decider for him$$$ to replace) with gas vapour a computer and a 3" mandrel bent system, gets unbelieveble economy now, and acclerates like a late model Prado deisel as well.

It's a good thing if the installer knows his stuff.

But like Shrek says if you want performance some deisels can go as well as a stock petrol with mods, but do the same to the petrol engine and bye bye.
Me I drove deisels for too many years to appreciate their little advantages these days, although the commonrail turbo sedans go ok, bit like an old smoker though, very narrow torque bands, need 6 speed boxes to keep them on the boil

Ie;
3.2 isuzu with piggy back chip, modded exhaust, inlet restrictors removed, high flow air filter, 0-100 under seven seconds wheelspin heaven, next move a late hilux 3.6:1 diff so first gear can be used instead of second, fuel economy we will not speak of though, on a good run I get 450ks to a tank.

Bruce Garland gets a safe 660kw out of a 3.2 rodeo with twin hairdryers and some cam work etc.

kato_owner
16-05-2010, 10:43 PM
Does adding a chip effect the warranty.

I've got a new 09 BT50 diesel auto and would love to fit a chip to get some better performance

raysa
16-05-2010, 10:54 PM
Does adding a chip effect the warranty.

I've got a new 09 BT50 diesel auto and would love to fit a chip to get some better performance

Dp Chip offer a pretty good warranty.
From their website.

"With regard to aftermarket parts, warranty coverage cannot be denied simply because such parts are present on the vehicle, or have been used. The warranty coverage can be denied only if the aftermarket part caused the malfunction or damage for which warranty coverage is sought.
New Vehicle engine and driveline warranty - Backed by Australia's leading diesel experts, Berrima Diesel Service specialising in diesel since 1956.

In the event a manufacturer will not meet their new vehicle warranty obligations because of the fitting of the DPChip the customer must obtain from the vehicle manufacturer a written report stating the details of the vehicle problem and that ?the DPChip was the cause of the problem and how the DPChip has caused the problem?. If the claim is proven then DPChip will authorise repairs. We know, and you can feel confident in the fact, that the DPChip is engineered to be completely safe for your engine and can't possibly cause any engine problems. That's why we're happy to provide such a warranty."

kato_owner
16-05-2010, 11:11 PM
thanks Raysa

Well I can't see any reason why I can't fit one of their chips.

Does anyone know how much approx they are?

Azza88
16-05-2010, 11:16 PM
thanks Raysa

Well I can't see any reason why I can't fit one of their chips.

Does anyone know how much approx they are?

Your looking at around $1500, plus a dyno if you want it 'fine tuned'

MrGenius
17-05-2010, 12:04 AM
I have a 3 litre D22 Navara, with 3" exhaust, Dtronic and intercooled.
Still needs another 30 or so kW more i reckon and that would probably do it.
Cruise control was the best thing i added to it tho hands down.

LMB
17-05-2010, 08:59 AM
Do you need to dyno a common rail diesel when fitting a chip? There is no manual adjustments available, timing, pressure etc. Before and after would be good though for interest. Had the bt50 dynoed before and after having a an exhaust system fitted, got an extra 7KW and 40-50k fuel range. Loaned it to a local exhaust shop for a week, they experimented with different exhaust systems and a dyno run after each. This was when they first come out.

07400E
17-05-2010, 09:54 AM
Do you need to dyno a common rail diesel when fitting a chip? There is no manual adjustments available, timing, pressure etc. Before and after would be good though for interest. Had the bt50 dynoed before and after having a an exhaust system fitted, got an extra 7KW and 40-50k fuel range. Loaned it to a local exhaust shop for a week, they experimented with different exhaust systems and a dyno run after each. This was when they first come out.

I dont think you need to dyno if you have an EGT gauge and can make sure your temps are not to high.
Most of the chips have a dial of some sort which in effect just ads an incremental increase in fuel as you go higher on the dial. You can monitor your temps and economy and decide on a setting from there.
The chips that offer infinite laptop tuning are the exeption to the above.

raysa
17-05-2010, 12:16 PM
Your looking at around $1500, plus a dyno if you want it 'fine tuned'

They do come pre tuned Azza to your specific car, the DP has a number of different settings that are easy to adjust to.
Many of the specific model internet forums have plenty of feed back as to what settings guys are using and it is easy to play around with.
If you let all the manufacturers know what mods the car has eg. exhaust they take that into consideration when they pre program the chip at the factory and if you mod after you buy the chip you just send it back an they re program it.

HAIRYMAN
17-05-2010, 03:06 PM
I got a 97 Triton with a TDC powerbox chip that I bought from the states for $300 and I adjusted the waste-gate release on the turbo to activate about 2 psi higher..

The waste-gate mod made it rev better with more pull higher in the revs.

The chip gave it more everywhere and you can adjust it to suit. I have it set just over half as I felt it was getting to much fuel any higher and when you took your foot off the pedal it would not slow down as much as it did when the chip was adjusted lower.

Fuel economy around town has decreased, but on the highway it is better.

LMB..
Did you get your exhaust done by the fellas in Caboolture near the old Honda shop? As they offered me the same kind of deal that you seem to have gotten, but I didn't end up doing it.

If I was to do anything else I would put a bigger exhaust on but I find it has enough power now, so I can't justify the expense..

Cheers,

Barrie

Craigy
17-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Look here
(http://www.snowperformance.net/index.php)for another way of getting more performance.

Mikey
17-05-2010, 04:22 PM
Got a 200 series landcruiser twin turbo v8, put a chip on it.
Claimed figures 235kw and 800nm. Next 3 inch exhaust. Goes great

Hate to be a party pooper but if that's the new V8 it's only got one turbo. Twin turbs are virtually unnecessary these days with variable vane technology etc...

Gidders
17-05-2010, 05:02 PM
Audi's still run twin turbo's on their V8 and V12 diesels, which seem to be the best performing European diesels.

bluerider
17-05-2010, 07:20 PM
Hate to be a party pooper but if that's the new V8 it's only got one turbo. Twin turbs are virtually unnecessary these days with variable vane technology etc...

Dont want to spoil your party but the V8 turbo diesel in the 120 series Cruiser has 2 turbo's.

The V8 in the new toyota utes and troopy's have the single hair dryer version.

Twin hairdryers are still an advantage, hence why the new volksy transporter ive been looking at has a bi-turbo setup... it halls arse for a van :tick

Mikey
17-05-2010, 10:08 PM
Dont want to spoil your party but the V8 turbo diesel in the 120 series Cruiser has 2 turbo's.

The V8 in the new toyota utes and troopy's have the single hair dryer version.

Twin hairdryers are still an advantage, hence why the new volksy transporter ive been looking at has a bi-turbo setup... it halls arse for a van :tick

He's got a 200 bro - single.

The latest beemer singles have more grunt and less lag than the twins on the same motor...

You could argue it till the death but I betcha you'll see more and more single turbo's in future. Twin Turbo sounds good for marketing - hence we'll prob see more dodgy naming conventions like 'Twin Charge Turbo' and the like...

Nutty
19-05-2010, 03:42 PM
I've done a 3' straight through exhaust with a new dump pipe from the turbo, wow what a difference.

Sweet, a three foot exhaust. Must have been a bugger to mandrel bend.
^rof^rof

Azza88
19-05-2010, 05:05 PM
Sweet, a three foot exhaust. Must have been a bugger to mandrel bend.
^rof^rof

3 INCH, thanks for the correction. That could have been embarrassing :laughing-

kady230
19-05-2010, 05:14 PM
3 INCH, thanks for the correction. That could have been embarrassing :laughing-

Is that what you tell the girls. I can see it now: "Honestly darlin it is 1 foot"

1 foot = 1 inch in Azza language.
:love2

threadersmal
19-05-2010, 05:24 PM
if you want performance don't buy a diesel.

Dont tell that to VW & Audi & Merc

JRD
19-05-2010, 05:51 PM
Dont tell that to VW & Audi & Merc

And what ever you do, don't tell Peugeot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PeugeotV12HDiFAP_3.JPG

RED1
19-05-2010, 06:04 PM
This was in 2005, they are just about to launch a new version.

Honda?s new Accord 2.2 i-CTDi Sport has this week set no fewer than 19 world speed records and achieved 3.07 litres / 100 km (92 mpg) fuel economy to boot. British racing driver Robin Liddell and freelance journalist Iain Robertson were part of the European record-setting team.

Amongst the speed records set, which were all achieved in Production Car Class B (2000 ? 2500 cc), were 133.04 mph (1 mile flying start), 84.25 mph (1 mile standing start) and an average speed of 130.38 mph over a 24-hour endurance period. These records were all set at Papenburg high-speed oval test track in north-west Germany on 1 and 2 May, and are all subject to FIA ratification.

Two production cars, randomly selected by FIA officials, were used to undertake the speed records, and apart from the fitting of roll-cages, racing harnesses and radio equipment for track-to-pits communication, no other modifications were made to the cars.

Following the speed record attempts, the same two cars were then driven 419 miles from Papenburg test track to Wiesbaden, near Frankfurt in order to complete the fuel economy run. The route comprised of a mixture of motorway and non-motorway driving, during which one of the Accords achieved a staggering 92 mpg average.

The project, whose aim was to demonstrate the performance and economy of the Accord i-CTDi, was a joint production between Honda, the FIA and Italian-based JAS Motorsport, who managed fuelling and pit-stops.

Honda UK?s driver in the speed record attempt, Robin Liddell, who has previously raced at Le Mans 24-hours, as well as the American Le Mans Series and the BRDC British GT championship, commented: "The car?s performance is very impressive, demonstrated by the records we?ve achieved. Honda has made real steps forward in styling, ergonomics and interior design with the new Accord Diesel and now has a package that can take on the best cars in its class."

The Accord i-CTDi went on sale in the UK in February (4dr) and March (5dr) respectively, and to date, 1,500 units have been sold. The record breaking car will be displayed on the Honda stand (Hall 5, Stand 250) at this year's Sunday Times Motor Show Live at Birmingham NEC.

Car Model Accord 2.2 i-CTDi Executive
Body Type 4-Door Saloon
Performance [ Manufacturers Figures ]
0 - 62 mph, 9.5 Seconds ; Top Speed, 131 mph
Transmission 5-Speed Manual
Fuel Type, Diesel
Economy [ Manufacturers Figures ]
Urban, 39.8 mpg
Extra Urban, 62.8 mpg
Combined, 52.3 mpg

oldboy
19-05-2010, 06:09 PM
It's funny how the Euro's can produce diesels that produce extraordinary HP and Torque from relatively small displacement engines yet the japs can't seem to send us any.

threadersmal
19-05-2010, 06:12 PM
It's funny how the Euro's can produce diesels that produce extraordinary HP and Torque from relatively small displacement engines yet the japs can't seem to send us any.

My TD5 is a rocket ship :laughing-:laughing-^fart










Actually it goes well we have tuned the ECU and done some other mods and it gets up off the mark for a big 4WD pretty good & does 600-700km on a tank.

Nutty
19-05-2010, 06:19 PM
It's funny how the Euro's can produce diesels that produce extraordinary HP and Torque from relatively small displacement engines yet the japs can't seem to send us any.

Toyota Land Cruiser 4.5 litres/650Nm.............144Nm/litre
Mercedes Sprinter (OM651) 2.1 litres/500Nm...238Nm/litre

Euro produces double the Japs torque. Jap diesels are POS.

minisman
19-05-2010, 06:21 PM
This was in 2005, they are just about to launch a new version.

Honda?s new Accord 2.2 i-CTDi Sport has this week set no fewer than 19 world speed records and achieved 3.07 litres / 100 km (92 mpg) fuel economy to boot. British racing driver Robin Liddell and freelance journalist Iain Robertson were part of the European record-setting team.

Amongst the speed records set, which were all achieved in Production Car Class B (2000 ? 2500 cc), were 133.04 mph (1 mile flying start), 84.25 mph (1 mile standing start) and an average speed of 130.38 mph over a 24-hour endurance period. These records were all set at Papenburg high-speed oval test track in north-west Germany on 1 and 2 May, and are all subject to FIA ratification.

Two production cars, randomly selected by FIA officials, were used to undertake the speed records, and apart from the fitting of roll-cages, racing harnesses and radio equipment for track-to-pits communication, no other modifications were made to the cars.

Following the speed record attempts, the same two cars were then driven 419 miles from Papenburg test track to Wiesbaden, near Frankfurt in order to complete the fuel economy run. The route comprised of a mixture of motorway and non-motorway driving, during which one of the Accords achieved a staggering 92 mpg average.

The project, whose aim was to demonstrate the performance and economy of the Accord i-CTDi, was a joint production between Honda, the FIA and Italian-based JAS Motorsport, who managed fuelling and pit-stops.

Honda UK?s driver in the speed record attempt, Robin Liddell, who has previously raced at Le Mans 24-hours, as well as the American Le Mans Series and the BRDC British GT championship, commented: "The car?s performance is very impressive, demonstrated by the records we?ve achieved. Honda has made real steps forward in styling, ergonomics and interior design with the new Accord Diesel and now has a package that can take on the best cars in its class."

The Accord i-CTDi went on sale in the UK in February (4dr) and March (5dr) respectively, and to date, 1,500 units have been sold. The record breaking car will be displayed on the Honda stand (Hall 5, Stand 250) at this year's Sunday Times Motor Show Live at Birmingham NEC.

Car Model Accord 2.2 i-CTDi Executive
Body Type 4-Door Saloon
Performance [ Manufacturers Figures ]
0 - 62 mph, 9.5 Seconds ; Top Speed, 131 mph
Transmission 5-Speed Manual
Fuel Type, Diesel
Economy [ Manufacturers Figures ]
Urban, 39.8 mpg
Extra Urban, 62.8 mpg
Combined, 52.3 mpg
how can they average 130.38mph over 24hrs when its top speed is claimed as 131mph and the top speed in a rolling 1mile is 133mph

the maths seems damned near impossible

bluerider
19-05-2010, 06:24 PM
Toyota Land Cruiser 4.5 litres/650Nm 144Nm/litre
Mercedes Sprinter (OM651) 2.1 litres/600Nm 285Nm/litre

Euro produces double the Japs torque. Jap diesels are POS.

Gee i want one of those sprinters.

Makes the crafter's engine im looking at seem pretty lame.

JRD
19-05-2010, 06:28 PM
Toyota Land Cruiser 4.5 litres/650Nm.............144Nm/litre
Mercedes Sprinter (OM651) 2.1 litres/500Nm...238Nm/litre

Euro produces double the Japs torque. Jap diesels are POS.

Going on experience, I wouldn't own a Euro Diesel..

RED1
19-05-2010, 06:33 PM
My TD5 is a rocket ship :laughing-:laughing-^fart










Actually it goes well we have tuned the ECU and done some other mods and it gets up off the mark for a big 4WD pretty good & does 600-700km on a tank.

Betcha this one was fast!:laughing-:laughing-


http://cars.uk.msn.com/features/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=152010751&page=36

oldboy
19-05-2010, 06:51 PM
The outlaws have got a Big Merc. Sprinter motorhome.It constantly amazes me that a tiny little engine pushes the great big barge around and gets 10 to 12l per 100km.

Poor old thing has only done 300 000k's on a steady diet of regular servicing and diesel.The freight courier blokes reckon they are good for 600 000k's + no worries.

Nutty
19-05-2010, 07:16 PM
Going on experience, I wouldn't own a Euro Diesel..

Hmm,

ZD30 Patrol, absolute hand grenade, worst diesel engine ever sold.
1HD-T Cruiser, main bearing issues, harmonic balancer issues,
3L Hiace, no 2 big end problems
2L-TE 4Runner/Surf, chronic overheating,
1VD 200 series Cruiser, excessive oil consumption

I could go on for a another 10 lines, the japs are no better (or worse) than the Euros

LMB
19-05-2010, 07:22 PM
I got a 97 Triton with a TDC powerbox chip that I bought from the states for $300 and I adjusted the waste-gate release on the turbo to activate about 2 psi higher..

The waste-gate mod made it rev better with more pull higher in the revs.

The chip gave it more everywhere and you can adjust it to suit. I have it set just over half as I felt it was getting to much fuel any higher and when you took your foot off the pedal it would not slow down as much as it did when the chip was adjusted lower.

Fuel economy around town has decreased, but on the highway it is better.

LMB..
Did you get your exhaust done by the fellas in Caboolture near the old Honda shop? As they offered me the same kind of deal that you seem to have gotten, but I didn't end up doing it.

If I was to do anything else I would put a bigger exhaust on but I find it has enough power now, so I can't justify the expense..

Cheers,

Barrie

Yea mate i'm just at caboolture fasteners couple doors up from them.

JRD
19-05-2010, 07:39 PM
Hmm,

ZD30 Patrol, absolute hand grenade, worst diesel engine ever sold.
1HD-T Cruiser, main bearing issues, harmonic balancer issues,
3L Hiace, no 2 big end problems
2L-TE 4Runner/Surf, chronic overheating,
1VD 200 series Cruiser, excessive oil consumption

I could go on for a another 10 lines, the japs are no better (or worse) than the Euros

As I mentioned, in my experience.

I see more Euro Diesels on the side of the road because of failures than I do Jap crap.

Nutty
19-05-2010, 08:15 PM
As I mentioned, in my experience.

I see more Euro Diesels on the side of the road because of failures than I do Jap crap.

Fair enough, but as a lecturer in automotive and electrical engineering for 28 years, I'm of the opinion that your anecdotal evidence just isn't reflected in any trade figures.

OM651s regularly don't need any work until 600,000km

I've not seen any statistical evidence that Euro diesels have poorer longevity/reliability than Jap diesels. Remember also that many Euro diesels are in other country of origin cars, e.g Jeep Grand Cherokee, Chrysler 300C, Ssangyongs, Nissans, etc.

p.s This thread is about a Japanese Nissan Navara YD25 which has a RENAULT (european) motor

JRD
19-05-2010, 09:40 PM
Fair enough, but as a lecturer in automotive and electrical engineering for 28 years, I'm of the opinion that your anecdotal evidence just isn't reflected in any trade figures.

As a lecturer that relies on statistics, you would think my opinion means nothing.. Do you actually have real experience or just figures someone else made up to follow...


OM651s regularly don't need any work until 600,000km

Neither do 4.2LT Nissan Patrols. I have regulary seen them exceed 600,000km without work.. Although under powered. Many people trust them more than a Euro..


I've not seen any statistical evidence that Euro diesels have poorer longevity/reliability than Jap diesels. Remember also that many Euro diesels are in other country of origin cars, e.g Jeep Grand Cherokee, Chrysler 300C, Ssangyongs, Nissans, etc.

I don't need to rely on statistics , I see them broken down.


p.s This thread is about a Japanese Nissan Navara YD25 which has a RENAULT (european) engine

I know it runs a Euro engine , I don't have a full opinion on them as they are still quite recent.. Time will tell.. If it continues in the Renault tradition, I wouldn't own one....

Shrek
19-05-2010, 09:56 PM
Dont tell that to VW & Audi & Merc

the thread is about dual cabs ya nong:love2

rolley
19-05-2010, 10:58 PM
gas injection on mine, $4,500 worth of bling

if you want performance don't buy a diesel.

Audi might like to disput that ........... 1-2 at Lemanns

andrewktm450
19-05-2010, 11:17 PM
Is that using the on screen fuel calculator ?
it`s Kms/Ltr


Lts per 100, best i've ever got is 8, average is 10.

Good ute, but overpriced to the shithouse, & yep, interior is basic
Paint is crap & any little stone chip - the metal rusts pretty quick.
Off road - pretty bloody good.

You can switch between the 2 different units (litres / 100 k's or K's per litre)by holding down the button when it displays the instant economy.
My DMax gets low 8's around town & mid 7's on a trip - thats litres / 100 k's.

BIGBADAL
19-05-2010, 11:41 PM
Audi's still run twin turbo's on their V8 and V12 diesels, which seem to be the best performing European diesels.
BMW has switched to single turbo this year on petrol models and they have won world engine of the year how many times ?

BIGBADAL
19-05-2010, 11:46 PM
pity it is going into a crewman:(
My thoughts too .

rabskyline
19-05-2010, 11:55 PM
gas injection on mine, $4,500 worth of bling

if you want performance don't buy a diesel.

oh shrekkie, tut tut ! if you want something that will haul arse, buy a diesel... BMW or AUDI diesels will wipe the floor with a v8 ss any day of the week ! want proof ? top gear ran a 3.0 diesel round their track.... chasing an m5 ! it held its own with a v10 5 litre ! torque is monstrous and whisper quiet...


so if ya want performance, don't buy an aussie diesel.... buy German ! ^rockon

BIGBADAL
19-05-2010, 11:58 PM
gas injection on mine, $4,500 worth of bling

if you want performance don't buy a diesel. I want performance and economy that's why i bought a diesel , sub 10L/100k loaded with trailer loaded as well , and still sit on the speed limit .

rabskyline
19-05-2010, 11:59 PM
Going on experience, I wouldn't own a Euro Diesel..

:confused:


renault/peugeot...best cheap diesel around

audi/bmw/merc make the best diesels available.... so, if ya won't drive euro ? tell us why ? what was the bad experience ?

i mean, upto 80k per gallon, and shit loads of torque from a 2L common rail isnt good enough ? :laughing-

european car's are the best on the planet.. so good the japs copy them.. but can't get the X factor in there for the luxury cars...

if ye sit in an X5 and a series 2 land cruiser, ye will see what i mean...


by the way, leather and shit loads of toys isn't the x factor..

JRD
20-05-2010, 01:20 AM
:confused:


renault/peugeot...best cheap diesel around

audi/bmw/merc make the best diesels available.... so, if ya won't drive euro ? tell us why ? what was the bad experience ?

i mean, upto 80k per gallon, and shit loads of torque from a 2L common rail isnt good enough ? :laughing-

european car's are the best on the planet.. so good the japs copy them.. but can't get the X factor in there for the luxury cars...

if ye sit in an X5 and a series 2 land cruiser, ye will see what i mean...


by the way, leather and shit loads of toys isn't the x factor..

You have no idea... People think because it produces more power and better economy that it's better..... I've worked in the Auto industry for over 20 years and still do.... Half the cars out today are an absolute joke.... I attend more broken down Euro Diesels than Japanese... That's the facts...

Shrek
20-05-2010, 08:33 AM
oh shrekkie, tut tut ! if you want something that will haul arse, buy a diesel... BMW or AUDI diesels will wipe the floor with a v8 ss any day of the week ! want proof ? top gear ran a 3.0 diesel round their track.... chasing an m5 ! it held its own with a v10 5 litre ! torque is monstrous and whisper quiet...


so if ya want performance, don't buy an aussie diesel.... buy German ! ^rockon

This thread is about dual cabs is it not.

I have driven most dual cabs available in oz and every single one of them is a puss box, sure they get 600kms to a tank but fuel costs 15 to 20 cents more per litre so there is no gain there.
Unless it is going to be used to constantly carry heavy loads or tow there is no advantage in diesels

Shrek
20-05-2010, 08:35 AM
You have no idea... People think because it produces more power and better economy that it's better..... I've worked in the Auto industry for over 20 years and still do.... Half the cars out today are an absolute joke.... I attend more broken down Euro Diesels than Japanese... That's the facts...

mount Osley loves killing those little 2.5lt, would'nt be a week gone by I don't see one with it's bonnet up.

threadersmal
20-05-2010, 08:42 AM
mount Osley loves killing those little 2.5lt, would'nt be a week gone by I don't see one with it's bonnet up.

No doubt a lot of people on here drive modern common rail diesel vehicles. Just wanted to see if anyone are doing preformance mods to their utes? Eg high flow exhausts, bigger intercoolers (water to air maybe), chips, thermo fans etc. I've got a 09' 2.5lt Nissan Navara, I've done a 3' straight through exhaust with a new dump pipe from the turbo, wow what a difference.

Nutty
20-05-2010, 12:04 PM
This thread is about dual cabs is it not.

I have driven most dual cabs available in oz and every single one of them is a puss box, sure they get 600kms to a tank but fuel costs 15 to 20 cents more per litre so there is no gain there.
Unless it is going to be used to constantly carry heavy loads or tow there is no advantage in diesels

100%. My 6l G8 SSV auto ute gets 9.4l/100km on the highway, given that it only needs oil changes every 15K and uses fuel that is at least 15% cheaper than diesel, I'd have to be getting high 6s or low 7s out of a diesel to come out in front.

Plus I get 5 star safety, dual zone climate control, 6 speed auto, leather, 19" wheels, a bigger dealer network, and 6.5 sec to 100km/h. For $44K there isn't a rice burner that comes close.

Nutty
20-05-2010, 12:26 PM
You have no idea... People think because it produces more power and better economy that it's better..... I've worked in the Auto industry for over 20 years and still do.... Half the cars out today are an absolute joke.... I attend more broken down Euro Diesels than Japanese... That's the facts...

Not disputing this JRD but if you take the 1.5 - 3.5 tonne van segment, all the available vehicles are European, therefore 100% of vehicle failures you see will be European.

In the pickup market, >90% of vehicles are Thai built, the only one with a Euro motor is the Nissan, the only service issue we've seen is oil mist from the turbo bearing seals leaking into the exhaust and blocking the DPF (autos only).

In mid-size sedans the only Jap diesel offerings are the Mazda 6 and new Subaru, early days for these, so all the breakdowns you see are Euros.

Your anecdotal evidence is obviously correct JRD, a lot of diesel breakdowns will be European diesels.

However, to say that they are problematic or poorly engineered when compared Jap diesels doesn't stand up when the number of in-service issues Vs quantities sold is taken into account. (I have figures if you're interested)

rabskyline
20-05-2010, 12:28 PM
You have no idea... People think because it produces more power and better economy that it's better..... I've worked in the Auto industry for over 20 years and still do.... Half the cars out today are an absolute joke.... I attend more broken down Euro Diesels than Japanese... That's the facts...

yeah, obviously clueless because i rate euro diesels !

but i find it strange you are repairing more euro diesels than jap when there arent that many in comparison to the japs in Oz...

ran a tdi vw golf and it got flogged and went great and returned great economy.. never had an issue ever ! mileage is a big difference here.. possibly 2 times what the average uk car is so maybe longivity and temperature has something to di with that..

dags
20-05-2010, 12:38 PM
Unless it is going to be used to constantly carry heavy loads or tow there is no advantage in diesels


Water crossings & offroad, i'd rather a diesel with a snorkel than a petrol

But these days the amount of electronics on a diesel & the improvements on petrols probably not a lot in it really

JRD
20-05-2010, 02:35 PM
but i find it strange you are repairing more euro diesels than jap when there arent that many in comparison to the japs in Oz...


I don't repair them, I attend the breakdowns.

JRD
20-05-2010, 02:50 PM
Not disputing this JRD but if you take the 1.5 - 3.5 tonne van segment, all the available vehicles are European, therefore 100% of vehicle failures you see will be European.


I am talking about the whole segment including utes .. There a lot of courier drivers out there that use Hilux/Bravo/Mitsubishi utes with and without a closed canopy and I can't remember the last one I went to that wasn't a flat battery
...

As far as Vans, yes you are right . The large percentage of them are Euro.. That still doesn't mean I would buy one.. They all fail !!! In fact I have seen many companies change over to the Hyundai I-load... And speaking to some of them they are quite pleased with the peace of mind warranty and low cost.. But the Hyundai has to prove itself yet..
The Euro vans were sending them broke with repair bills and time off the road..

LMB
20-05-2010, 07:29 PM
100%. My 6l G8 SSV auto ute gets 9.4l/100km on the highway, given that it only needs oil changes every 15K and uses fuel that is at least 15% cheaper than diesel, I'd have to be getting high 6s or low 7s out of a diesel to come out in front.

Plus I get 5 star safety, dual zone climate control, 6 speed auto, leather, 19" wheels, a bigger dealer network, and 6.5 sec to 100km/h. For $44K there isn't a rice burner that comes close.

Diesel is cheaper then petrol up here, making then even cheaper to run.

Mikey
20-05-2010, 08:09 PM
My old mans 3 litre twin turbo diesel Audi A6 has a heap more punch than my 5 litre V8 petrol ute - about a 150nm more off the bottom. It surges ahead then tails off but he's got a million gears so I can't catch him. So they can definitely go pretty quick no doubt.

In response to this thread my mate has the V8 single turbo diesel landcruiser, he's done a 3 inch exhaust and yeah it goes pretty good - sounds like a proper V8 too - which is the main thing for me!

I've looked into modifying diesels, I learnt a few things: 1: You can run pretty much a straight through exhaust without it getting really loud. 2: Air intake systems don't do much. 3: A really good chip is the most effective. 4: A crappy chip can lead to excessive sooty smoke 5: You can't run blow off valves.

Call me a teenager but point 5 was quite upsetting...

raysa
20-05-2010, 08:50 PM
5: You can't run blow off valves.

Call me a teenager but point 5 was quite upsetting...

I was absolutely shattered when I found this out, I had visions of running two on the lc200. Thought it would be awesome, also don't like the fact that the engine drowns out the turbo whistle. You gotta love the sound of a turbo on a cold winters morning.

Ivan
20-05-2010, 08:58 PM
I was absolutely shattered when I found this out, I had visions of running two on the lc200. Thought it would be awesome, also don't like the fact that the engine drowns out the turbo whistle. You gotta love the sound of a turbo on a cold winters morning.

So sick it sneezes!

Azza88
14-08-2010, 12:40 AM
Ok I've added a little extra to my Navara. I installed a Tunit chip today, best thing anyone can do to a new diesel. With 9 different power settings it'll have a massive range of tourqe curves to choose from. Amazing how just a straight through exhaust and chip can make such a massive improvement in power and tourqe :D

New diesel owners get chips ^rockon

Brugger
14-08-2010, 09:26 AM
Ok I've added a little extra to my Navara. I installed a Tunit chip today, best thing anyone can do to a new diesel. With 9 different power settings it'll have a massive range of tourqe curves to choose from. Amazing how just a straight through exhaust and chip can make such a massive improvement in power and tourqe :D

New diesel owners get chips ^rockon

How much louder did the exhaust make it?

Hammer456
14-08-2010, 10:32 AM
Ok I've added a little extra to my Navara. I installed a Tunit chip today, best thing anyone can do to a new diesel. With 9 different power settings it'll have a massive range of tourqe curves to choose from. Amazing how just a straight through exhaust and chip can make such a massive improvement in power and tourqe :D

New diesel owners get chips ^rockon

Where did you get the pipe from and how much?

If take the baffle out will it make it go faster ????^lol