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Old 19-01-2020
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How about this theory I have held for a long time:
see the whole Murray/Goulburrn / darling system as a large basin holding a certain amount of water that only gains by humidity blown in and looses by humidity blown out and that drained out past Goolwa.
More water available to evaporate raises the humidity down wind therefore less evaporation also more rainfall.
The only 100% loss is the water sent out to sea, all other uses have a proportion of return back into the system.
Just as an example; during irrigation season in the Goulburn the heavy afternoon thunderstorm over Bonniedoon was a normal event. "environmental "
flows and water sent down to open the Murray river mouth have dried out the whole system.
The alpine areas had not had the huge fires till about 2004/6 ,Still obvious from all the standing dead timber that wasn't there before and hasn't been outgrown since.
So all the wastefull irrigation in times past used to keep the whole Great Divide from drying out as much as it does now.
Maybe after the tonnes per ha has dropped back to a the historical normal
low (similar to pre-irrigation period)fires stay localised .

What do you think?
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How about this theory I have held for a long time:
see the whole Murray/Goulburrn / darling system as a large basin holding a certain amount of water that only gains by humidity blown in and looses by humidity blown out and that drained out past Goolwa.
More water available to evaporate raises the humidity down wind therefore less evaporation also more rainfall.
The only 100% loss is the water sent out to sea, all other uses have a proportion of return back into the system.
Just as an example; during irrigation season in the Goulburn the heavy afternoon thunderstorm over Bonniedoon was a normal event. "environmental "
flows and water sent down to open the Murray river mouth have dried out the whole system.
The alpine areas had not had the huge fires till about 2004/6 ,Still obvious from all the standing dead timber that wasn't there before and hasn't been outgrown since.
So all the wastefull irrigation in times past used to keep the whole Great Divide from drying out as much as it does now.
Maybe after the tonnes per ha has dropped back to a the historical normal
low (similar to pre-irrigation period)fires stay localised .

What do you think?
Interesting but beyond me.

Climate alarmists obviously believe all future rain will fall only on oceans leaving us to wither away.
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But, it's no small thing in my opinion that so many countries would agree to put so much into what it costs to go green or at least move towards it, than to prepare for the future in others ways that focus on potentially preparing for what we 'know' is coming, rather than potentially fixing what we have.
What does it cost to go green though?

Turn the lights off. Stop paying for luxury services. Move backwards..

Or we could move forwards.. As stated, there are alternative energy sources, some which are quickly dismissed.

But we come full circle once again, to the point.. is over population and continual growth the root issue at play. What is a sustainable solution to this?
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What does it cost to go green though?

Turn the lights off. Stop paying for luxury services. Move backwards..

Or we could move forwards.. As stated, there are alternative energy sources, some which are quickly dismissed.

But we come full circle once again, to the point.. is over population and continual growth the root issue at play. What is a sustainable solution to this?
This what I mean by going green. Isn't the whole idea to move away from fossil fuels, therefore reducing emissions and thats where the cost lies?
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What does it cost to go green though?
Simple... your freedom.
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Australian bushfires show why the ABC must be obliterated

Australian bushfires show why the ABC must be obliterated

By David Hiscox

https://www.xyz.net.au/australian-bu...e-obliterated/

It’s one hell of a racket.

You create a fake crisis regarding so-called “climate change“. You use this “climate emergency” to lock up national parks as so-called “carbon sinks” and let the fire trails go derelict to make sure nobody gets in, prosecute people for creating fire breaks on their own land and even for picking up wood off the side of the road, destroy the forestry industry and ban the alpine grazing of cattle.

Despite the recommendation of a royal commission, you make it difficult for your state to reach the bare minimum level of hazard reduction burns that have been set, and you ensure that you cannot be held to account for it.

These policies among others combine to generate an extremely dangerous fuel load in the Australian bush. When high temperatures and strong winds make the conditions irresistible to seemingly every firebug in the country, the Australian bush explodes and people die by the dozen.

You then use your stranglehold over the mainstream media to repeat the lie over and over again that the catastrophe, caused by policies implemented in the name of mitigating fake climate change, actually proves that climate change is real.

The proposed solution is essentially to intensify the policies which caused the disaster in the first place, and to reduce so-called “carbon emissions” to zero, code for closing down every coal and gas fired power plant and ending all coal and gas mining.

Thus the goal of the climate cult is to subject Australia every summer to disastrous bushfires while reducing our capacity to do anything about them. It is pure communism, design to reduce Australia to third world status so the whole world can be equal in its misery.

It is evil.

This brings us to the ABC. The taxpayer funded dinosaur is one of the main culprits responsible for spreading climate alarmism. It regularly publishes alarmist reports and dismisses critiques of climate alarmism.

It has happily engaged in scapegoating Scott Morrison for the Australian bushfires, it has conveniently scrubbed reports of environmentalists preventing hazard reduction burns, and it has echoed Victorian state government propaganda that it is actually because of “climate change” that hazard reduction burns have been so few, a claim rubbished by experts.

Thus through its activism in propagating climate hysteria, the ABC Is one of the chief culprits in making Australia’s current bushfires so deadly. Yet the ABC is the organisation tasked with broadcasting vital information in the case of bushfires. Listen to ABC radio at any time this summer and you will hear the climate hysteria narrative fully integrated with their emergency coverage.

It is like putting Joseph Stalin in charge of the food rations.

The solution should be to completely abolish the ABC. A small emergency broadcasting service can be established, tasked with the sole responsibility of broadcasting emergency information, at a fraction of the cost of the ABC.

And every employee of the ABC should be put on trial for treason against the Australian people.

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An Inferno of Incompetence and Obfuscation
By Roger Underwood

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doom...d-obfuscation/

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Below, part of what Victoria’s Black Saturday royal commission concluded about water-bombers (emphasis added)

During the summer of 2009–10 Victoria funded the trial of a very large air tanker to assess its fire-bombing suitability in Victoria. A DC-10 aircraft was contracted from the United States by the National Aerial Firefighting Centre and trials were assessed by the Bushfire Cooperative Research Centre, whose final report is due in late June 2010. The total cost of the trial was about $10 million.

There are practical constraints on using a very large air tanker in Victoria. Because of the weight and size of the DC-10, Avalon Airport (near Geelong) and Melbourne Airport (the main airport in Melbourne) are the only suitable air bases from which the aircraft can operate. The DC-10 requires a smaller lead plane to fly ahead and provide assessments before aerial firefighting. The DC-10 might also have limitations during poor weather. Once airborne, the aircraft must discharge its load of up to $45,000 worth of aerial suppressant to enable a safe landing. This has economic and environmental costs if the suppressant is not used on the fire and needs to be jettisoned.

The Commission notes that a number of witnesses were ambivalent about the very large air tanker. NAFC General Manager Mr Richard Alder stated that, given its limitations and requirements for operating in Australia, the DC-10 may not be a cost-effective option …



Cost effective or not, the ABC reports today that such planes are shortly to return. As Talleyrand is said to have remarked about the Bourbons, our leaders forget nothing and learn nothing.
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Local council restrictions make prescribed burning 'almost impossible'


Since the Royal Commission into the Black Saturday fires, only a third of the area earmarked for hazard reduction burns has been cleared and former CSIRO bushfire expert Phil Cheney says there have been “excuses… and Pseudo-science to justify this”.

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A rare link from me

He explains (everything) better that I could ever manage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBbvehbomrY
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A rare link from me

He explains (everything) better that I could ever manage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBbvehbomrY
You're doing links now.....that's great.

Can you give me a link to Jordan Petersons climate science credentials?
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