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Old 31-07-2012
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Excellent thread. A well run cornerman system makes it so much easier to organise, lead and sweep a ride if everyone keeps following the simple guidelines of the system. Keeps the ride moving but at the same time allows everyone to ride at their own pace.
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Old 07-08-2012
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What's it called when you mark corners but there's no permanent sweep?

You wait until the last rider comes through and head off after them, or as the last rider motion the rider at the corner to go if you want a break.

Everyone has to know who is behind them but for a small similarly-paced group it keeps everyone moving better than tag or cornerman.

I've been on a few rides where this just happens - I think out of politeness more than anything else - and it works pretty well.
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Old 03-08-2013
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Sorry if this has been mentioned - I think it's important to have a rider's briefing before the ride no matter how many times you've ridden together, know the trail, or how fast the ride is etc, as said before the cornerman system can change slightly & it's better that everyone's on the same page with the system being used on the day.

Not sure if this has been said - if the lead rider doesn't put a man on a corner, always take the more obvious, more used trail, most often 'straight ahead'.

From now on if I'm leading a ride I'l tie some high-vis material on my arm & also for the sweep.

Trying to have only riders in roughly the same skill level will also keep the group moving faster. But obviously that isn't easy sometimes.

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Old 03-08-2013
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Sorry if this has been mentioned - I think it's important to have a rider's briefing before the ride no matter how many times you've ridden together, know the trail, or how fast the ride is etc, as said before the cornerman system can change slightly & it's better that everyone's on the same page with the system being used on the day.

Not sure if this has been said - if the lead rider doesn't put a man on a corner, always take the more obvious, more used trail, most often 'straight ahead'.

From now on if I'm leading a ride I'l tie some high-vis material on my arm & also for the sweep.

Trying to have only riders in roughly the same skill level will also keep the group moving faster. But obviously that isn't easy sometimes.

Have a safe ride!
Good reminder there Ant. The comment about grading got me thinking, though. It's alway going to be difficult for some riders (particuarly new, returning or improving riders), to determine their grade. What about system where lead riders, sweeps and or certifed experienced /competent riders vouch for or confirm grading of riders. Could be assesed during a ride and as simple as a discrete PM after a ride to let them know where they think the riders grading is at. Gradings could then be carried in DBW sigs along with who graded them. I hate to use the sport as an example because its such a stark contrast to riding, but a bit like golf handicaps.
Would remove some of the uncertintity for those organising the rides and those wanting to partiticipate, but not sure if they'rd up to it. Would help the improvers know they're progressing too.
Good idea or too bureaucratic?

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Good reminder there Ant. The comment about grading got me thinking, though. It's alway going to be difficult for some riders (particuarly new, returning or improving riders), to determine their grade. What about system where lead riders, sweeps and or certifed experienced /competent riders vouch for or confirm grading of riders. Could be assesed during a ride and as simple as a discrete PM after a ride to let them know where they think the riders grading is at. Gradings could then be carried in DBW sigs along with who graded them. I hate to use the sport as an example because its such a stark contrast to riding, but a bit like golf handicaps.
Would remove some of the uncertintity for those organising the rides and those wanting to partiticipate, but not sure if they'rd up to it. Would help the improvers know they're progressing too.
Good idea or too bureaucratic?

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To bureaucratic. How many people will just grade them up one extra level so as not to feel mean or break their heart and also the grading system is very open to interpretation and is flawed in itself.

I know I have contacted ride leaders before that were holding level 4s and 5s as i was progressing to level 3 & 4 and asked if its ok if I come as I want to test myself. it was always on the proviso that if I get in way over my head I have a GPS and im more than happy to call it a day and head back by myself. Most of the time it was ok and they liked the fact I wanted to test and challenge myself on others they still admired my ambition but said this probably isn't the right one to do itbut in so and so weeks time I've got just the one for you.

I owe a lot of my progression/experience to these rides and seeing what can be done and how.

Let's not pigeon hole riders as to their abilities especially given how quickly they can evolve.
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Agree Walks. Had pretty much thought my idea too bureaucratic by the time I finished my post. Hence why I asked the question.
It no big deal for me. I've determined my ability and know a good number of people I can ride with and hold my own. I don't lead any rides because I don't ever take enough notice of where we're at to be responsible enough for the care of others :-)
Just trying to think of ways to make it easier for newbies and the guys and girls who kindly put up their hands each week to lead us lemmings around :-)
Certainly don't want bureaucracy and politics invading my riding time. I've always got work for that :-(
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