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Cross training in MX ?

Interested to hear people's opinions on utilising MX training to become a better rider. This is for those who want to become better riders, not necessarily wanting to race.

Over the years I have always noted how good current and ex MX racers are when they hit the bush, despite many of them not having much experience in the bush at all.

The other day I was on a casual social ride and an ex national racer (5 - 10 years past his prime) blasted past me on a borrowed TTR 250. I was on a better bike and I knew the tracks, yet straight away he was much faster / better.

I guess I'm trying to determine if MX the cause or the effect?

Ie, naturally skilled fast guys tend to get into MX when young, so they were going to be good riders regardless, is it this, or is it the MX training specifically that just makes them better riders in all conditions?

In terms of positives, Mx practise makes a rider:

- fitter
- faster
- more accurate at cornering
- real focus on braking
- more emphasis on body positioning
- conditioned to ride at a greater intensity

The negatives though is that MX is much more likely to cause a serious injury. It's certainly time efficient, 30 - 60 minutes on an MX track gives you a lot of bang for buck in terms of ride effort.

Anyone incorporate MX training, if so, do yo think it's helped much?
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Yeah - I definitely agree with your premise mate. MX does make you a better rider. I think doing the same corner over and over or the same track over and over gives you the chance to hone your skills. We don't do that so often just riding around in the bush.

Every man should have a MX track in their back yard. With trees as obstacles.
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I used to think mx was for ladies until a mate dragged me to a track one day and I was hooked. I now have a yz125 as well as the enduro bike, I dont get the chance to hit up the mx track much but I plan to change that this year.
Ive found mx to be very intense. As you say, if you stick with it, it will make you much faster and fitter. I'm 37 so well past my prime and worry about injuries also.
As for the casue and effect argument, in my experience you've either got it or you don't - unfortuneately for me I dont.
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Your list nails the reasons why MX helps bush riders.

For me, MX has two main pitfalls:
1. If I've been doing lots of MX and not much bush work, I get too used to knowing where I'm going. Then I go (even slower) in unfamiliar terrain.

2. I tend to sit down too much, particularly in corners. I've done hardly any MX in the last year or two, and I've definitely had less desire to sit down and rail ruts like you do in MX. I always knew what I should be doing, but didn't always do it!

If pushed, a third pitfall would be sometimes charging in when a second or two of assessment would be much smarter...
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A national level rider will show up an average trail rider ( assuming that's you ) - he probably does more trail riding now anyway .
Those older 250 4 strokes are torquey and in the right hands can be a quick bike point to point .
I had the same thing happen to me on an MX track with a guy on a real old TT

Most of their speed is from much higher cornering speeds - better technique from practice over and over as said earlier .

When you are riding with guys like that I found if you take them to the most technical hill you can find (which you can do) - a lot of them will hold it fairly pinned and come unstuck - fun to watch
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I used to think mx was for ladies until a mate dragged me to a track one day and I was hooked. I now have a yz125 as well as the enduro bike, I dont get the chance to hit up the mx track much but I plan to change that this year.
Ive found mx to be very intense. As you say, if you stick with it, it will make you much faster and fitter. I'm 37 so well past my prime and worry about injuries also.
As for the casue and effect argument, in my experience you've either got it or you don't - unfortuneately for me I dont.
We have a lot in common:

- MX bike as a second mount
- 37 years of age
- both in category of "don't have it"

The intensity of MX is probably the hardest thing to get used to. I am very fit by all normal standards, yet on an MX track, 10 minutes and I'm spent.
Getting better with time though.

Good to hear everyone's thoughts.

Pete, as you mentioned doing the same corners repeatedly is what bush riders really miss out on. Having your own tracks helps. Still surprised how quickly MX guys can go in the bush, they seem to be able to nail corners at a much higher speed, which is what I suck at.

Spac, that's an interesting point about knowing where you are going (downside of an mx track). While true, I've found riding MX makes you hyper sensitive when back in the bush.
Your reactions seem faster and the surroundings seem a bit slower.
For me this has translated into faster riding, but this may well reverse when things get too tricky.
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When you are riding with guys like that I found if you take them to the most technical hill you can find (which you can do) - a lot of them will hold it fairly pinned and come unstuck - fun to watch
Not always the case
Did a trailride with Nyk Geck (former national mx and sx rider) a few years ago at beerburrum he went straight up triple step , fridge hill and various others like they were the fast lane on the m1
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Not always the case
Did a trailride with Nyk Geck (former national mx and sx rider) a few years ago at beerburrum he went straight up triple step , fridge hill and various others like they were the fast lane on the m1
yes - that's happens a lot too
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Not always the case
Did a trailride with Nyk Geck (former national mx and sx rider) a few years ago at beerburrum he went straight up triple step , fridge hill and various others like they were the fast lane on the m1
Yep - that's my experience too. Any top level MX rider is pretty good on any snotty hill too. They can ride faster and keep momentum better than a mere gumby.
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Anybody can ride fast in a straight line....no they bloody can't, takes a big set to do anything fast on a Dirt Bike on dirt.

You can't practice MX to get better, you have to learn MX, you can't just ride up to a rythm section in 3rd at half throttle and expect anything less than a trip to hospital unless you can already ride MX.

Not many MX riders can do slow riding in tech terrain, different set of skills.
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