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Went out for a little blat in the bush this morning at the local, new suspension feels sweet! I am riding a lot quicker but still maintaining the ability to punch over obstacles. It is a little harder to preload the front but it seems to just clip the rocks/logs and sail over. I was well worn out by the end of it though. Bit humid today. The fatty front barely hits the pipe guard now too, only slightly rubs on big drop offs. I would like a bit more rebound on the rear shock though. Iíll sort that out next service.
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Went out for a little blat in the bush this morning at the local, new suspension feels sweet! I am riding a lot quicker but still maintaining the ability to punch over obstacles. It is a little harder to preload the front but it seems to just clip the rocks/logs and sail over. I was well worn out by the end of it though. Bit humid today. The fatty front barely hits the pipe guard now too, only slightly rubs on big drop offs. I would like a bit more rebound on the rear shock though. Iíll sort that out next service.


Of topic - witch fatty front are you using the Goldentyre or Shinco ?
What are your thoughts?


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Of topic - witch fatty front are you using the Goldentyre or Shinco ?
What are your thoughts?


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I bought the shinko, not knowing there was a difference. This was before I found reviews on the throwing knobs etc. I absolutely love the tyre. Grip is sensational, the added height feels like I have six inches more suspension travel to play with. Most trail trash and small logs arenít felt any more.
The front doesnít deflect off obstacles anymore and holds a line extremely well. It is slightly heavier to turn but the gassy was quick anyway. It is the first front tyre I have had seal first time with the tubliss.
It gives very good feedback and very predictable when really hooking in.

I can honestly say I have never liked a front tyre Iíve previously tried and have always had some issue with them. I wonít be running anything else but these from now on.
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I can vouch for that front tyre, too. I've ridden Nates bike regularly, and putting that front tyre on it made a noticeable difference.

Don't get me wrong - it was good before, but the tyre just settled it on trail trash. Very smooth, very predictable.

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I bought the shinko, not knowing there was a difference. This was before I found reviews on the throwing knobs etc. I absolutely love the tyre. Grip is sensational, the added height feels like I have six inches more suspension travel to play with. Most trail trash and small logs arenít felt any more.

The front doesnít deflect off obstacles anymore and holds a line extremely well. It is slightly heavier to turn but the gassy was quick anyway. It is the first front tyre I have had seal first time with the tubliss.

It gives very good feedback and very predictable when really hooking in.



I can honestly say I have never liked a front tyre Iíve previously tried and have always had some issue with them. I wonít be running anything else but these from now on.


Yes mate the Goldentyre & Shinkos are completely different tyres. Apparently the new generation 6 Goldentyre fatty is meant to be awesome.


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Went out for a little blat in the bush this morning at the local, new suspension feels sweet! I am riding a lot quicker but still maintaining the ability to punch over obstacles. It is a little harder to preload the front but it seems to just clip the rocks/logs and sail over. I was well worn out by the end of it though. Bit humid today. The fatty front barely hits the pipe guard now too, only slightly rubs on big drop offs. I would like a bit more rebound on the rear shock though. Iíll sort that out next service.
Sounds good Nate!

Just to clarify, a bit more rebound.. do you mean less rebound damping; a quicker action.. or more rebound; slow things down more.
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Well,
I've puled down my KYB forks & shock on the GP300 & measuring with micrometer I got similar to Nates with differences highlighted:
Compression base valve:
11x0.25 (3)
20x1.5 (base plate)
14x0.3 (6)
16x0.11
18x0.11
20x0.11
22x0.11
24x0.11
26x0.11
28x0.11
30x0.11
32x0.11
21x0.11
32x0.11 (12)
Piston
Check valve
Spring
Collar
Nut

Mid valve: Compression
Stepped washer
8x0.2
Collar
Spring
17x0.3
15x0.3
11x0.3 no 12x0.11
14x0.11
16x0.11
18x0.11
20x0.11 (3)
Piston (- no bleed hole)
20x0.11 (3)
12x0.11
18x0.11
16x0.11
14x0.11
12x0.11
11x0.25
16x1.5 (base plate)
Nut
(Float was even larger at 0.85mm in the above stacks)

KYB Rear Shock:
Compression:
22x0.25
24x0.25
26x0.25
28x0.25
30x0.25
32x0.25
34x0.25
36x0.25
38x0.2
28x0.11
32x0.11
40x0.2 (10)

Rebound:
36x0.2 (7)
28x0.11
36x0.25
34x0.3
32x0.3
30x0.3
28x0.3
26x0.3
25x0.3
24x0.3
23x0.3
26x0.4

So I've carried out Jake's mod by adding a 21x0.11 clamp to soften the shock comp stack & pulling the 23x0.3 as per Nate's mod to stiffen rebound.

For the forks I have a few questions:
- should I drill 1 or 2 x 1mm dia bleed holes in the piston?
- I want to drop the float down from 0.85 to 0.35mm float but this is a big increase to mid comp & I'll will then need to lighten up on the mid & maybe the base stack as well.
For the mid thinking of:
8x0.2 -take-out
Collar
Spring
17x0.3
15x0.3
11x0.3
11x0.11 x qty to get float to 0.35mm
10x0.2
14x0.11
18x0.11
20x0.11 (2)
Piston

I've just bought Restacker & it shows that this set-up due to the reduced float is still more damped, particularly over LS than the original set-up.
Any ideas?
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Sounds good Nate!

Just to clarify, a bit more rebound.. do you mean less rebound damping; a quicker action.. or more rebound; slow things down more.
Hey Jake, yeah more rebound damping to slow it down a tad. I didnít have shims on hand to play with the stacks more.
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Well,
I've puled down my KYB forks & shock on the GP300 & measuring with micrometer I got similar to Nates with differences highlighted:
Compression base valve:
11x0.25 (3)
20x1.5 (base plate)
14x0.3 (6)
16x0.11
18x0.11
20x0.11
22x0.11
24x0.11
26x0.11
28x0.11
30x0.11
32x0.11
21x0.11
32x0.11 (12)
Piston
Check valve
Spring
Collar
Nut

Mid valve: Compression
Stepped washer
8x0.2
Collar
Spring
17x0.3
15x0.3
11x0.3 no 12x0.11
14x0.11
16x0.11
18x0.11
20x0.11 (3)
Piston (- no bleed hole)
20x0.11 (3)
12x0.11
18x0.11
16x0.11
14x0.11
12x0.11
11x0.25
16x1.5 (base plate)
Nut
(Float was even larger at 0.85mm in the above stacks)

KYB Rear Shock:
Compression:
22x0.25
24x0.25
26x0.25
28x0.25
30x0.25
32x0.25
34x0.25
36x0.25
38x0.2
28x0.11
32x0.11
40x0.2 (10)

Rebound:
36x0.2 (7)
28x0.11
36x0.25
34x0.3
32x0.3
30x0.3
28x0.3
26x0.3
25x0.3
24x0.3
23x0.3
26x0.4

So I've carried out Jake's mod by adding a 21x0.11 clamp to soften the shock comp stack & pulling the 23x0.3 as per Nate's mod to stiffen rebound.

For the forks I have a few questions:
- should I drill 1 or 2 x 1mm dia bleed holes in the piston?
- I want to drop the float down from 0.85 to 0.35mm float but this is a big increase to mid comp & I'll will then need to lighten up on the mid & maybe the base stack as well.
For the mid thinking of:
8x0.2 -take-out
Collar
Spring
17x0.3
15x0.3
11x0.3
11x0.11 x qty to get float to 0.35mm
10x0.2
14x0.11
18x0.11
20x0.11 (2)
Piston

I've just bought Restacker & it shows that this set-up due to the reduced float is still more damped, particularly over LS than the original set-up.
Any ideas?
Don't think I'd drill bleed holes you already have good bleed, personally I'd add a 16 to the mid and adjust the float to 0.3-0.35. The shock I'd change to a two stage stack on the comp. I'll have my new bike soon we can go test at Flynn on the dry square edged tests. Restaker look at you go
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Don't think I'd drill bleed holes you already have good bleed, personally I'd add a 16 to the mid and adjust the float to 0.3-0.35. The shock I'd change to a two stage stack on the comp. I'll have my new bike soon we can go test at Flynn on the dry square edged tests. Restaker look at you go
Good, no drilling. I've got some 16 & 18 x 0.1 shims I'll chuck under the 20 dia face shims to give them a bit more support.
Yeah Restackors a useful program which can help make comparisons with baseline settings but I will need to put in the ride time to get a feel for what the graphical output means in the real world.
I've already had the shock regassed at dynotime, so we'll see how that goes.
Just wondering if i should pull out and replace the fork bushings after 95 hrs and probably wreck some perfectly good fork seals in the process or just wait till they start leaking Ann's do three bushes then.
Cool that the new bikes coming, what size Beta did you go with in the end.? Be good to go for a ride😆
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