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Old 13-04-2017
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On my fresh 2012 model I ran 15/48 and it would run easily through 170km and slowly pull through to just under 180. That was a standard bike/exhaust with around 20hrs on it. I still run that gearing but now with around 90hrs it, is around 10kmph slower.
Remember to think about the average speeds out there. If you get a gap in the dust at the same time you are in open country (80km-110 & last 15km into Finke (maybe a few small ones also) the big speeds certainly don't hurt, but the reality is that unless you are super human you will spend a lot of time under 70km. If I go back I would seriously consider slightly shorter gearing for prologue to try to get the jump on you 3 bike grid to keep you out of their dust as seconds in Prologue (for the mid pack guys around the 7+ minute mark)) can easily result in hundreds of positions on Sunday and much, much more dust for day 1.
Thanks for the reply mate. Was the 2012 model a 5 or 6 speed? I would be happy to wind it out to about 170-180... I hear what you're saying about the average speeds, but even with tall gearing it is still going to pull a lot better than my rmz450 did with the tall gearing! So not too worried about keeping it moving. And like you said I will probably be running different gearing for prologue along with a mx tyre to keep me out of as much dust as possible.

One other thing, maybe a silly question..... Would there be any difference in running say 14-46, to running a 15-48 or 15-49 combo??? Is one combo going to put less strain on the motor at all meaning pull top gear easier?

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Old 13-04-2017
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Hey Ryan, not sure if you'd be interested but I have plenty of hearing left over from my rmz450 that I did Finke on in '15.... I've got brand new rear sprockets 43,45,46 and a couple of 15 fronts.

Send me a PM if you're interested in them

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Thanks all for the advice I will look further into the dunlops.

Basically either dunlops motoz or goldentyre at this point i think but I havnt found anything concrete about the goldentyre other than "Tobes uses them"
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Old 13-04-2017
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On my fresh 2012 model I ran 15/48 and it would run easily through 170km and slowly pull through to just under 180. That was a standard bike/exhaust with around 20hrs on it. I still run that gearing but now with around 90hrs it, is around 10kmph slower.
Remember to think about the average speeds out there. If you get a gap in the dust at the same time you are in open country (80km-110 & last 15km into Finke (maybe a few small ones also) the big speeds certainly don't hurt, but the reality is that unless you are super human you will spend a lot of time under 70km. If I go back I would seriously consider slightly shorter gearing for prologue to try to get the jump on you 3 bike grid to keep you out of their dust as seconds in Prologue (for the mid pack guys around the 7+ minute mark)) can easily result in hundreds of positions on Sunday and much, much more dust for day 1.
They cut a lot of the road section out just before the Finke river getting there and after it on the way home in 2015, now theres only about 3 minutes of proper road section you can use 160+ kmh gearing if you have the balls and conditions allow you to use it.....theres Youtube vids of a Banshee cleaning up bikes who are just cruising along this section, I'll see if I can find it...

Edit Here it is 3.15 to 5.38 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNXSMXOaavc&t=275

And yeah, prologuing well will save you heaps of grief during the actual race...so, gear your bike for prologue appropriately, use some hardpack MX specific short life tyres for prologue only, and dont incur 30 sec penalties by pushing your bike out of scrutineering early or jumping the prologue start and youll do fine

All my Finkes were done with a 952 rear and UHD Bridgy or Mich tube, just make sure if you run tubes you run 2 rim locks so if you flat you can still get it to the other end.....I passed quite a few stationary MXers with flat unbeaded rears and a single rimlock, old class 8'er shakes his head and rides on lol...
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Old 14-04-2017
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They cut a lot of the road section out just before the Finke river getting there and after it on the way home in 2015, now theres only about 3 minutes of proper road section you can use 160+ kmh gearing if you have the balls and conditions allow you to use it.....theres Youtube vids of a Banshee cleaning up bikes who are just cruising along this section, I'll see if I can find it...

Edit Here it is 3.15 to 5.38 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNXSMXOaavc&t=275

And yeah, prologuing well will save you heaps of grief during the actual race...so, gear your bike for prologue appropriately, use some hardpack MX specific short life tyres for prologue only, and dont incur 30 sec penalties by pushing your bike out of scrutineering early or jumping the prologue start and youll do fine

All my Finkes were done with a 952 rear and UHD Bridgy or Mich tube, just make sure if you run tubes you run 2 rim locks so if you flat you can still get it to the other end.....I passed quite a few stationary MXers with flat unbeaded rears and a single rimlock, old class 8'er shakes his head and rides on lol...
This lad on the Banshee passes me at 04:31. I had watched this clip before but never noticed myself until now haha.

I actually remember this bloke....we battled for a bit. Not on the road section but id catch him in the whoops then he would pass me on another flat fast section....and so on. Eventually i passed him in some whoops and didnt see him again.... I think he was actually pulled over on one section of whoops and i passed him there.
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Old 16-04-2017
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Honestly most blokes wont get above 150km/hr especially if its a dusty year.

My opinion is that your better off having some low down snap so you can keep up top of the sand and pass people quickly if needed. Aim to gear it with for 150 max, get a feeling when you prerun, you want to be able to hit top speed quickly in deep sand.

Unless you prologue inside the top 10 you'll be eating dust and unless you have really excellent track knowledge or are a mad bastard you'll be cruising in dust.
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Old 17-04-2017
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Honestly most blokes wont get above 150km/hr especially if its a dusty year.

My opinion is that your better off having some low down snap so you can keep up top of the sand and pass people quickly if needed. Aim to gear it with for 150 max, get a feeling when you prerun, you want to be able to hit top speed quickly in deep sand.

Unless you prologue inside the top 10 you'll be eating dust and unless you have really excellent track knowledge or are a mad bastard you'll be cruising in dust.
Good advice!! and very true
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They should give out 2 different types of finishers spikes......the "Finke Racer" spike for those who can do it in less than 8 hours total, and the "Finke Riders" spike for those who take over 8 hours.

Glad I picked up 2 spikes when the 4 hour rule was enforced, because I earned them. The 3rd spike I got in 2015 doesnt count in my mind , because I was just over 4 hours (they allowed 4.5 hours due to 600 bikes) getting home. Might whack it on Ebay to see what its worth
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Im glad i got a real spike first attempt at 17 years old. Have never had any luck since almsot ending up in a wheelchair for a while.. all for that little rail road spike.

The finke should kept the same. If you cant do it in 4hrs then you need to train more and work harder. Or maybe they should just sell the spikes on ebay so everyone can get one.
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The extended time helps heaps of riders...On my last Finke (2015)the old cutoff of 2 hrs to the midway point on Day 1 would have totally eliminated many riders on Day 1, instead of letting them continue on and hold up the field......the old cutoff of 4 hours for Day 1 would have once again eliminated many starters, keeping them from holding up riders who are faster but may have had prologue issues etc....I picked up 90 positions between Alice and Deep well, on Day 1 and Im 50 years on a 2 stroke old lol....
Finkes no longer about who is fit, or can ride ride to conditions....its about getting the maximum number of entrants to Finke and back without eliminating them and having to deal with that.....
Im sorry, but Finkes gone soft. Its no longer about fitness, or ride smartness, its about how much dust your prepared tolerate and how many chances you will take....the only reason the Finke track is tough for the last 1/2 of the field is due to the excess of bikes and dust to get through....the actual track is quite easy..Give me (50 years old, 2 stroke) a clear run with 2 fuel stops and I reckon low 3 hrs is doable......
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Am I right in assuming that tear offs are not allowed for Finke as per MA rulings.
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Am I right in assuming that tear offs are not allowed for Finke as per MA rulings.
AFAIK they wouldn't have been allowed before, as it is classed as an enduro and I think they have been banned in these events for a while.
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