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Old 14-01-2017
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Beta RR390 or RR480 adventure bike?

Interested in a light weight adventure bike that doubles as a dirt bike? Plenty of enduro bikes can be adapted, my all time favorite was the Husaberg FE570 but sadly it's no longer made. My pick would be the WR450F but the Betas are one possible option....

WHAT'S HOT
Stuff that helps:
- lower seat height
- user-friendly engine and handling characteristics
- double overhead cam engine for smoothness
- fuel injection for altitude or temperature variations.

WHAT'S NOT
Stuff that stuffs things up:
- 100 hour plastic oil pump gear life (this really sucks... more below).
- uncomfortable seat
- small fuel tank
- rear subframe too weak for heavy luggage
- weak headlight
- engine a bit too snappy off idle

FUEL TANK OPTIONS
The IMS 11.7 litre tank for US$290 for around 300km of easy adventure riding.
Apparently IMS now have a 15 litre which is great for anyone wanting even more range. Looks good too as you can still use your radiator shrouds.
An interesting idea is this Behego 'plug & play' rally tank, which actually wraps around the lower half of the engine and could be good if like to keep a low centre of gravity when adventure riding, and just take it off for dirt riding. It comes with its own bashplate.
Clarke Racing do bigger tanks for the pre-fuel injection models.

SEAT, PEGS & ERGONOMICS
Seat Concepts is the most popular choice for Beta riders, starting at US$174. Would love to have tried this but they never answered any of my emails.
A fun budget option to try is buy a block of medium density foam and cut your own comfy seat and staple some vinyl over the top.
Enduro bikes have quite small footpegs, the Beta is no exception. It might be worth looking at the Fastway pegs which provide a bigger platform, and can also be dropped down and back to give you more leg room on the bike.
We've done vids for short rider setup here, and tall rider setup here.

ENGINE
The RR390 has a long stroke engine that loves to lug and has an even more user-friendly nature than the RR480 - if you don't need ridiculous amounts of top end performance this bike is the one. To me, it's what the DRZ400 could be if Suzuki gave the engine is serious makeover.
The RS500 is not a scary bike, and has actually been called the gentle giant by many... monster torque and only goes crazy once you really crank the throttle. However, like most big fuel injected thumpers the throttle response is snappy from idle. I highly recommend the G2 Throttle Tamer for only US$70, it transforms it into a pussycat at small throttle openings.

The benefits of fuel injection are better fuel economy and automatic adjustment to elevation changes. The down side? It could be worth fitting a fuel filter sock in your tank for adventure riding in case you got dirty fuel in remote locations.

While many debate the usefulness of dual engine and transmission oil chambers, it does mean a higher capacity of 1.5 liters overall, and on a very long adventure ride you only need to carry 750ml to do the engine oil at 30 hours, as the lack of clutch slipping should mean the transmission oil will be fine for a lot longer. Logic would suggest you could extend that 30 hour oil change if you aren't pushing the engine hard, but by how much? I'll leave that up to you. Even 30 hours should get you 2000km of dual sport riding before an engine oil change.

The only real drawback with the Beta four stroke engine is the plastic oil pump gears... we are all scratching our heads over why Beta persist with these. These should be replaced every 100 hours, most riders are putting the metal gears from Boano in and then they can forget about them. Dumb dumb dumb.

EDIT: The Italians have been a bit slacker than other manufacturers with quality control but thankfully it's almost always stuff that's easy to fix and often the dealers get them sorted before they roll off the showroom floor.

But they seem to be dropping the ball more lately so did these two vids in the past year. Feel free to go through these and make sure you've got these potential problems covered!
https://youtu.be/-TpjNBz0n4A


The next vid also highlights the problems with the front forks on Racing Edition models over the past few years.
https://youtu.be/x5riIkWxgGQ
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A few pics from guys over on the advrider forum who have been messing around with similar mods for a while.....


Rudderfeet


Rear luggage rack from Nomadic US$170



The new 4 gallon IMS tank from denketchpel...


Sewerat
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Sure. We can't 'got' further tips, we can 'have' them. 'Got' is the past participle in the past tense of the word 'get'. 'Got' cannot be used in the present or future tense.

You do some good articles Mr B but they need be translated into English. The depth of your posts moves beyond the level of the rest of the illiterate Bogans on here, the grammar needs to be at the same level as the technical writing.

Not your fault though, your generation is functionally illiterate due the failings of my generation.

B.O.T.

As much as I love Beta bikes, the general concept of converting Enduro bikes into Adventure bikes is so stupid. They don't have the longevity, oil capacity, cush drives, fuel range, subframe strength, seat comfort, aerodynamics, accessory range, gearbox strength, fuel economy or ergos of a dedicated A-bike.

With so many great A-bikes available at reasonable prices, the cost, hassle, compromises and work required to make any Enduro bike into a half-decent A-bike present as an inane pursuit IMO.
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.... Not your fault though, your generation is functionally illiterate due the failings on my generation.....
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Great write up mate

As you know this is what i bought my BETA 480 for so an excellent read mate
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...As you know this is what i bought my BETA 480 for so an excellent read mate
5 bananas for you....
thanks mal, potassium intake was low.

every time i mention adapting an enduro bike for dual sport or adventure riding a bunch of guys get their knickers in a knot. i tried to head this off in the video disclaimer, but to no avail.

"...Many say why bother with all of this when bikes like the DRZ400 and WR250R are available - that's fine but some of us want the punch of a serious enduro bike, and are prepared to live with the inevitable compromises of trying to dual sport or adventure ride it too. That should
cover the most common complaints or comments on this topic, but I'm sure you'll come up with more if you work at it lol!"

there will always be those of us with smaller brains who can live with compromises in bike design... and poor syntax, speling errurs, and etymological inconsistencies on forums.

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Sure. We can't 'got' further tips, we can 'have' them. 'Got' is the past participle in the past tense of the word 'get'. 'Got' cannot be used in the present or future tense.

You do some good articles Mr B but they need be translated into English. The depth of your posts moves beyond the level of the rest of the illiterate Bogans on here, the grammar needs to be at the same level as the technical writing.

Not your fault though, your generation is functionally illiterate due the failings on my generation.

B.O.T.

As much as I love Beta bikes, the general concept of converting Enduro bikes into Adventure bikes is so stupid. They don't have the longevity, oil capacity, cush drives, fuel range, subframe strength, seat comfort, aerodynamics, accessory range, gearbox strength, fuel economy or ergos of a dedicated A-bike.

With so many great A-bikes available at reasonable prices, the cost, hassle, compromises and work required to make any Enduro bike into a half-decent A-bike present as an inane pursuit IMO.
The thing is that(unless you're plannin on rackin up 50,000km on an adventurised enduro bike) u cn always revert back to enduro format easily n quickly so u hav the best of both worlds to a certain extent. Can't enduroise a tenere/dr650/klr/Beemer etc. Not very well anyway. I don't even ride/haven't even ridden an adventure bike but to me it would seem easier to do both(enduro n 'light' adventure) types of riding with an enduro based bike rather than a dedicated adventure bike.

I can see sum of the attraction with adv bikes as can jus get on n ride/explore dirt tracks rather than havin to load up n drive first
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Yeah the 480 has compromises for sure but i am willing to live with them for a lighter more nimble Adventure style of riding.

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There's two types of adv bikes , one that's capable of highway cruising loaded with big range , multi cylinder .
Or , something that'll do 300ks handle fire trails and single track and a bit of road , single cylinder mid capacity . The ideal adv bikes to me any way .
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