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I would think 3K would be fair and reasonable, and I'd expect them to maybe bounce back to the middle maybe not.

Heaps of threads on buying and negotiating, worth reading.. chains, sprockets, wheel bearings etc. Make sure you give the bike a good going over or at least take someone who knows what to look for with you. Can give you room to negotiate the price down further, or when to walk away.

Most bikes in RWC kind of plateu around the 2500-3000 dollar mark, regardless of age. An old MX model or something clapped out not running will move for less.
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appealing but I worry about previous care or reliability at this price
This ia the worry at any price point second hand and includes the shiny bikes.

Don't forget to lift the back wheel by hand when it's hanging clear of the ground, worn out bearings in rear linkages can end up a big job. Age is important, a seized swing arm bolt in an XR has led to damaged frames from desperate removal procedures.
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I would think 3K would be fair and reasonable, and I'd expect them to maybe bounce back to the middle maybe not.



Heaps of threads on buying and negotiating, worth reading.. chains, sprockets, wheel bearings etc. Make sure you give the bike a good going over or at least take someone who knows what to look for with you. Can give you room to negotiate the price down further, or when to walk away.



Most bikes in RWC kind of plateu around the 2500-3000 dollar mark, regardless of age. An old MX model or something clapped out not running will move for less.


Iíll do some searching on the forums here about what to look for. I know basics like leaks, chain tension, sprockets. Most pages if you just google are useless or race bike orientated.
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I saved this from somewhere:


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  • Rim dents
  • Loose spokes - missing spokes
  • Brake pads
  • Chain and sprocket condition
  • Chain guide worn out? swing arm damage?
  • Wheel bearings loose?
  • Foot pegs. Gear shift lever - brake pedal. Wear. - bent. Damaged?
  • Check nuts on rear sprocket for a shadow. This shows if it was loose or not
  • Look at the hubs and in particular the lugs on rear hub for the sprocket for cracks
  • Petrol tank for any sign of cracking. Remove the lid to ensure the thread isn't damaged ( torn off and glued back on - I've bought a bike like this and found out when I got it home - it was old and very cheap so I wasn't surprised but still a let down.)
  • Check plastics for repairs cracks etc especially where they bolt on.
  • Remove air cleaner and look for dust or signs of dust on the intake duct.
  • Look at radiators for bends twists. Dents. Repairs.
  • Lift rear of bike and drop on ground listening for a clunk - shock bearings /linkage bearings good / bad. Try to move rear wheel left right looking for swing arm bush flog.
  • Compress and release front shocks many times looking for binding . On old bikes look for big dings in the lower fork legs. This can be a show stopper as it can cause binding if the ding is big enough .
  • Look for leaking fork seals.
  • Look super carefully for damage to the chrome plating on the forks and rear shock shaft.
  • Compress rear end a few times looking for bounceyness it should come up slowish esp near the top of return travel
  • Look at the exhaust for dents and the underside of frame if no bash plate.
  • Make sure things aren't missing like bash plate, proper aftermarket radiator guards, Exhaust guards, stand, bark busters etc. As you need all these things!
  • Look at the engine covers and cases for damage. Jb weld repairs. etc.
  • Look for non OEM bolts. Lots suggest many repairs!
  • Look at the sump bolt. Is there damage in the area?
  • Look for signs of water leaks
  • All the drain hoses on the carby still there ?
  • Look at the intake boot from carb to engine. Is it cracked ( older bikes )
  • Inspect the brake discs looking for ridges
  • Floating discs are a little bit wobbly / loose this is normal.
  • Headlight, hi beam low beam horn brake tail light work ?
  • Front sprocket has a cover on it?
  • Handlebars - straight bent.
  • Colour of brake fluid looks ok?
  • Seat damaged - repaired - recovered
  • Coolant colour?
  • Has it been road ridden much ? If it has stay away esp on the big bores. Road use destroys the dogs on the gears super fast!
  • A dirt bike gearbox will last a lifetime in the dirt - constant road use will kill it in a year or three.
  • Does odometer reading match the wear on the bike? If not offer less or walk...
  • Look at the battery. If it looks two years old it's prob due to replace
  • Run engine. Listening for dull knocking sounds - Big end stuffed!
  • Listen for can of marbles. Top end bearing....
  • Warm it up till its quite warm. Try the clutch. Test ride. Test each forward gear
  • After market clutch or brake master cylinder and gouging of the bars and pegs can suggest a big bitumen off
  • Condition of bark busters and hand levers.
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If it was me, I would go and have a look at the DRZ250 first.
It doesn't look/sound too hammered to automatically ignore.

It may be an obvious "walk away" bike or an obvious "buy now" bike, but if it is neither of those, then go and have a look at the TTR. You'll quickly work out which bike is more suited to your needs/wants (if you were looking for a long-term bike, then I would recommend the almost new TTR for sure).

And you can probably use the DRZ's pricing as leverage on the TTR.

Dumping on bikes like these are part people's growing maturity. Sort of like the Dunning-Kruger curve.

As a newb, they are good things.
Then you get better/more serious and discover that more serious bikes make more serious riding easier (duh!), and it seems like the trailbikes are "shit bro, you should get a KTM".
Then after you have been around for a while, you realise that TTRs and DRZs are entirely competent bikes that (with a competent rider on board) will go 99.9% of places that an enduro bike will go. Usually a bit slower, often with more effort, but they are perfectly capable of getting there, and generally in the midpack of the average trailride.
You will also realise that the trail bikes have a bunch of benefits that make them preferable for some riders.

All of this is why you hear such conflicting opinions on them.
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That DRZ for $1500 is the goods go for it !!









Dunning - Kruger curve .. WTF !!

What planet are you from Spac ??
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Almost everyone goes through a period where hanging shit on TTRs and DRZs seems like the right thing to do.
Then their level of competence/understanding goes up and they realise that there's more to life than smashing out super gnarly Grade 3 trails at a modest pace on a $14,000 bike with $4,000 worth of bling...

And then they realise that those trail bikes don't exist to win Finke.

Which is pretty much exactly what Dunning-Kruger is about.
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Almost everyone goes through a period where hanging shit on TTRs and DRZs seems like the right thing to do.
Then their level of competence/understanding goes up and they realise that there's more to life than smashing out super gnarly Grade 3 trails at a modest pace on a $14,000 bike with $4,000 worth of bling...

And then they realise that those trail bikes don't exist to win Finke.

Which is pretty much exactly what Dunning-Kruger is about.
The DRZs and most other aircooled 250 4 strokes are as boring as batshit to ride, what's Freddy say about that effect.
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Then their level of competence/understanding goes up and they realise that there's more to life than smashing out super gnarly Grade 3 trails at a modest pace on a $14,000 bike with $4,000 worth of bling....
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Rofl Spac

I never had a word for it before...........now I do
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