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Terry, I appreciate your knowledge and your willingness to share it.
But you are kind of sounding like a bit of a jerk in the last day or so.
Possibly just run out of patience Spac? Kinda like the way I react to anti-vaxers... denying science in favour of their own observations or opinions . I have NO patience for them and will go to town ridiculing them .
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It could have been a really interesting thread but the conversation lead more to evasion than solution....beating around the bush gets very tiring.

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Possibly just run out of patience Spac? Kinda like the way I react to anti-vaxers... denying science in favour of their own observations or opinions . I have NO patience for them and will go to town ridiculing them .
aka being a jerk!!

I don't agree with the anti vax mob either, and I cringe when I read some of the things they post.. but at the end of the day if I can't saying anything nice I tend to say nothing at all.

Back on topic, I really appreciate that we can get an insight into some discussion between two valued tuners. Be great if a couple more people had the knowledge to chime in with some useful information too.

From my basic understanding and time spent 'tuning' my own suspension, I figured most tuners operating without some equipment to measure or record data are simply stabbing in the dark. This doesn't mean that you can't shuffle some shims and put in ride time and shuffle some more and come up with a great tune for an individual.. but it does mean a large amount of time, trial and error is required to do so.

Does a dyno solve all the problems, or hold all the answers?? Of course not. Can it be used to increase understanding and question previous beliefs.. FOR SURE! I think this is where Dave is at.. And if you don't question what you thought you knew, than you'll never be thinking outside of the box.

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aka being a jerk!!

I don't agree with the anti vax mob either, and I cringe when I read some of the things they post.. but at the end of the day if I can't saying anything nice I tend to say nothing at all.

Back on topic, I really appreciate that we can get an insight into some discussion between two valued tuners. Be great if a couple more people had the knowledge to chime in with some useful information too.

From my basic understanding and time spent 'tuning' my own suspension, I figured most tuners operating without some equipment to measure or record data are simply stabbing in the dark. This doesn't mean that you can't shuffle some shims and put in ride time and shuffle some more and come up with a great tune for an individual.. but it does mean a large amount of time, trial and error is required to do so.

Does a dyno solve all the problems, or hold all the answers?? Of course not. Can it be used to increase understanding and question previous beliefs.. FOR SURE! I think this is where Dave is at.. And if you don't question what you thought you knew, than you'll never be thinking outside of the box.
And for a bloke like Dave who is tuning a massive variety of bikes, being able to bolt a shock or forks on a dyno, get an understanding where they are at and compare to a known/proven baseline would be invaluable.
I steer clear of tuning alot of bikes for this reason, where do you start? Like you said, the other option is alot of shim shuffling and testing to find out what works, which I'm fine with and enjoy but its time consuming and doesn't make the best business sense.
Sure, a good understanding of the theories is a necessity aswell and you can't ignore alot of seat time testing either but as Dave has mentioned, "the dyno has disproven more theories than it has proven". It is no doubt invaluable in this area and with a massive time saving among other things.

Anyway, carry on...
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