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Old 18-01-2012
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Klx 450f 2013

Will the 2013 klx 450 f be the same bike as it has been since 07.
I nearly bought a 2012 klx but pulled out at the last minute. I just couldn,t bring myself to parting with $11,500 for a 6 year old design. I am know thinking about the new Ktm 500 exc or sitting on the fence and see if they update the 2013 model klx..
I have a kx 450f 07 which is too stiff and snappy for bush riding as I have it set up for supermoto racing. I also need rego so I can explore S E QLD single trails.
I hope they use the 2012 kx engine with milder cams,bigger flywheel and 6 speed gear box, with a 12 L tank. Patience I think is needed, as half the fun is dreaming of your new ride.
What would you like to see in the 2013 model klx 450 f.
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Old 19-01-2012
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I put my money on they drop the KLX from the line up in 2013. Hope they don't because any model KX450 from 09' onwards used as a base would be a winner.
All the Japs brands have given up trying to compete against the Euro's when it comes to (competitive) enduro bikes, have for years now.

As for engine mods from the KX motor to a future KLX, apart from the extra gear a simple remap will do more than anything else to change it's nature.
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Will the 2013 klx 450 f be the same bike as it has been since 07.
I nearly bought a 2012 klx but pulled out at the last minute. I just couldn,t bring myself to parting with $11,500 for a 6 year old design. I am know thinking about the new Ktm 500 exc or sitting on the fence and see if they update the 2013 model klx..
I have a kx 450f 07 which is too stiff and snappy for bush riding as I have it set up for supermoto racing. I also need rego so I can explore S E QLD single trails.
I hope they use the 2012 kx engine with milder cams,bigger flywheel and 6 speed gear box, with a 12 L tank. Patience I think is needed, as half the fun is dreaming of your new ride.
What would you like to see in the 2013 model klx 450 f.
The ktm 500 exc is a great bike and it wont dissapoint. Its very user friendly and agile for a big bore bike but it also has enough power to get anywhere and up anything. I would definetly head into your local ktm dealer and have a chat and see what they can do for you.
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I put my money on they drop the KLX from the line up in 2013. Hope they don't because any model KX450 from 09' onwards used as a base would be a winner.
All the Japs brands have given up trying to compete against the Euro's when it comes to (competitive) enduro bikes, have for years now.

As for engine mods from the KX motor to a future KLX, apart from the extra gear a simple remap will do more than anything else to change it's nature.
Hey Sporn I see you have a KLX and a 300 exc how do they compare in the s/t and when you are going fast over loose ground. Is the klx more planted.
I suppose we won,t know until june/july what kawy will do, delete, the same ,or updated. Would you buy a an updated KLX or the new KTM.
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KLX - it's one of the most reliable bikes out there next to the WR.

My KLX 450 has done over 7000 trouble free KMS - can't say the same for my friends that brought new KTM's & Husky's ..... although they are awesome bikes to ride.

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Hey Sporn I see you have a KLX and a 300 exc how do they compare in the s/t and when you are going fast over loose ground. Is the klx more planted.
I suppose we won,t know until june/july what kawy will do, delete, the same ,or updated. Would you buy a an updated KLX or the new KTM.
The KLX is a much more enjoyable and comfortable "trail" bike compared to the hard nosed "race" EXC. Due to the extra weight the KLX carrries and engine type the two bikes are at opposite ends of the scale but both do an excellent job at what they were designed to do.
Where I ride it would be classed as desert for anyone living on the East coast. The terrrain mostly consists of sandy/lime stone coast, dry river beds, rocky break away country, dry bush to open desert so not alot of single track to be had.
Biggest differance between the 2 bikes is once the 300 gets out of control it is alot easier to get back compared to the 120kg+ KLX, but saying that it takes alot more effort to get the KLX to the point of no return due the the weight, plush suspension and strong smooth power.
Going fast over loose ground the EXC is more take the weight off the front, point and shoot compared to the just smash through it attitude of the KLX. I have fitted a Scotts damper to the 300 to help with deflections amongst the rocky sections, this is more a 2T trait than brand or bike model.
Single track I imagine the 300 would be far superior as long it is set up for the conditions (like any bike) due to it's lack of weight and seating position, the KLX has a more sit in and cruise feel to it.
Over long distance the KLX wins hands down due to the comfort of the seat, suspension, power delivery and fuel economy, in an sprint enduro race the 300 would run rings around it, horses for courses.

Would I buy a 2013 KLX if they did a total overhaul ?. Absolutely, probably even stop me buying a 200EXC later this year. The newer (09'+) fuel injected KXF450's are great bikes with bombroof motors as I have raced MX on an 09' for the last 3 seasons with no issues. Only maintanance done in just over 100hrs is replaced piston, rings and timing chain, clutch fibre plates and reshimed a few valves once.
I can see why the trail/enduro side of Kawasaki has dissapeared off the radar since the KDX's were dropped as you only need to look at the time and money they have invested with the development of the 250 and 450 MX'ers. Maybe one day this technology will find it's way onto the KLX450.
A 2013 KLX with an EFI motor, bar map switch, wide ratio 6 speed box, stronger bars, 12 litre (minium) tank, aggresive seating position, dzus clip seat, small switch blocks, decent speedo, 100 watt stator, hand held EFI tuner, LED tail light and a front that is usefull at night would have me camping out the front of the local Kawi dealer waiting for it's release, but I won't be holding my breath.

On a side note the faithfull old KLX has been retired from bush service and is being turned into the bike it always should of been in my shed as we speak. Have fitted a 06' KXF450 head, CDI, cams, KXF airbox/tank/rear/side and radiator plastics, SDG step seat, FMF power bomb header and Ti exhaust, K&N paper air filter, fat bars, Li battery, LED tail light/indicators, Trailtech Vapor speedo and waiting for a set of 17" motard wheels and a 320mm front disc to appear in the post (hopefully today).
Basicly a KLX frame and wide ratio gear box with an electric start KXF motor and plastics, sitting on a motard wheelset, rego'd just waiting for me to lose my license.
Will post up photo's in next few weeks when the build is complete.
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The KLX is a much more enjoyable and comfortable "trail" bike compared to the hard nosed "race" EXC. Due to the extra weight the KLX carrries and engine type the two bikes are at opposite ends of the scale but both do an excellent job at what they were designed to do.
Where I ride it would be classed as desert for anyone living on the East coast. The terrrain mostly consists of sandy/lime stone coast, dry river beds, rocky break away country, dry bush to open desert so not alot of single track to be had.
Biggest differance between the 2 bikes is once the 300 gets out of control it is alot easier to get back compared to the 120kg+ KLX, but saying that it takes alot more effort to get the KLX to the point of no return due the the weight, plush suspension and strong smooth power.
Going fast over loose ground the EXC is more take the weight off the front, point and shoot compared to the just smash through it attitude of the KLX. I have fitted a Scotts damper to the 300 to help with deflections amongst the rocky sections, this is more a 2T trait than brand or bike model.
Single track I imagine the 300 would be far superior as long it is set up for the conditions (like any bike) due to it's lack of weight and seating position, the KLX has a more sit in and cruise feel to it.
Over long distance the KLX wins hands down due to the comfort of the seat, suspension, power delivery and fuel economy, in an sprint enduro race the 300 would run rings around it, horses for courses.

Would I buy a 2013 KLX if they did a total overhaul ?. Absolutely, probably even stop me buying a 200EXC later this year. The newer (09'+) fuel injected KXF450's are great bikes with bombroof motors as I have raced MX on an 09' for the last 3 seasons with no issues. Only maintanance done in just over 100hrs is replaced piston, rings and timing chain, clutch fibre plates and reshimed a few valves once.
I can see why the trail/enduro side of Kawasaki has dissapeared off the radar since the KDX's were dropped as you only need to look at the time and money they have invested with the development of the 250 and 450 MX'ers. Maybe one day this technology will find it's way onto the KLX450.
A 2013 KLX with an EFI motor, bar map switch, wide ratio 6 speed box, stronger bars, 12 litre (minium) tank, aggresive seating position, dzus clip seat, small switch blocks, decent speedo, 100 watt stator, hand held EFI tuner, LED tail light and a front that is usefull at night would have me camping out the front of the local Kawi dealer waiting for it's release, but I won't be holding my breath.

On a side note the faithfull old KLX has been retired from bush service and is being turned into the bike it always should of been in my shed as we speak. Have fitted a 06' KXF450 head, CDI, cams, KXF airbox/tank/rear/side and radiator plastics, SDG step seat, FMF power bomb header and Ti exhaust, K&N paper air filter, fat bars, Li battery, LED tail light/indicators, Trailtech Vapor speedo and waiting for a set of 17" motard wheels and a 320mm front disc to appear in the post (hopefully today).
Basicly a KLX frame and wide ratio gear box with an electric start KXF motor and plastics, sitting on a motard wheelset, rego'd just waiting for me to lose my license.
Will post up photo's in next few weeks when the build is complete.
Thanks for the detailed reply it makes me reconsider buying the current model klx. I am looking for more of a trail bike than race bike as I get my race fix racing supermoto on my Kx 450 F. Reliability is a big facter as well as being a comfortable bike to ride all day. I have had my heart all set on the klx it,s just dated. I am sure it is one of the best trailbikes on the market it,s just it could be so much more. Maybe I can build the bike I want using the klx as a base as I have my kx450f 07 for parts .
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Old 20-01-2012
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Definately can make the KLX into an excellent trail bike cheaply by the amount of choice in parts that will fit it on fleabay.
Biggest negative with the bike is it's static weight. There's been a few on ThumperTalk who have tried to lose the pounds with not alot of success, but coming off a KXF it really should not be a problem. The motor is strong and smooth so it actually hides it's weight very well untill in the thick of the fight the weight can and will start to work against the rider.
First 2 mods to do would be heavier springs (not only for you but the bike is undersprung for it's own weight) and a decent breathing exhaust.
If they do not release a new model in 13' I would not discount a well looked after current model and spend the $$ on doing it up.
To be able to go bush on Saturday and track on Sunday with the same ergos and power delivery would be a bonus with out including all the spares between both the bikes.
Must admit though the EFI KX's crap all over the carby versions with no bogging, sharp throttle response throughout the power curve, ease of starting parked up for weeks or hot and range of re-mapping.

Thrown in a few photos of the KLX patiently waiting (with it's guts hanging out) for it's wheels, motard front guard and headlight to arrive.

As this is your thread I'm sure you can hijack it and post up some picks of your tarded KX .
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I will see if I can download some supermoto photo,s to get you more motivated to finish your project
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Quick update: got the wheels and tyres delivered and are on. Everything bolted up nicely, will have to dish the rear wheel over slightly as the chain looks like its going to rub on the tyre. The photo below actually makes it look worse than what it is.
Will need to modify the fork guards as the 3.5" rim/120 tyre rub, be just a case of trimming them back with a blade.
Still waiting on the 320mm disk and front guard (according to Motostrano they are still being processsed after 2 weeks of taking my money ) and a headlight.
Need to sort through and find a home for all the wiring in the KXF airbox as their are no mounts for any of it compared to the KLX box. Pretty straight forward just would like to make it neat and tidy
Have a K&N X-Stream air filter on the way for better breathing and cleaner than an oiled foamie in the airbox.
Still have to wire up the LED brake light and indicators, must admit electrickery is not one of my strong points but neither is mechanics.

One thing I learnt today was if you want it to rain wheel your half finished project outside. It got up to 44deg over here today and as soon as I pushed the bike out of the shed for a pic the heavens opened up and a thunderstorm started .
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