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  • Two strokes with counter-balancers.

    Here's the ones I know of.
    Anyone got anything to add/correct?

    Beta 250/300RR 2020+
    Beta XTrainer 2020+
    GasGas 250EC 1996~1999ish.
    GasGas 250/300 2021+ (I assume).
    Honda CRM250AR 1996~1999 (not sure about the earlier models).
    Husqvarna 250/300 2017+
    Kawasaki KDX250SR 1991~1994ish.
    KTM 250/300 2017+
    Suzuki TS200R, 1991~whenever they stopped making them.
    Yamaha DT200R, 1988~2000ish.
    Yamaha WR200Z, 1991~1999.
    Yamaha DT230 Lanza, 1999~whenever they stopped making them (2001?)
    Yamaha DT360A, 1974.

    What's the name of the Chinese DT230 powered Husky copy? It should be on the list too.

    Seems weird that there's no big bores.
    Last edited by Spac; 2 weeks ago.
    Beta 200RR

  • #2
    What's your reason for asking Spac?
    Shooting the breeze? or fair dinkum?

    Momentum/piston/mass will vary with velocity.
    Balancing that-will require a counter-balancer.

    I've owned two large 2T's... Husky 360 & Husky 430.
    Neither had a counter-balancer... Both vibrated a-lot.

    It never really bothered me... Just par for the course.
    Try siliconed ball-bearings in bar-ends to dampen it?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by hairyone View Post
      What's your reason for asking Spac?
      Shooting the breeze? or fair dinkum?

      Momentum/piston/mass will vary with velocity.
      Balancing that-will require a counter-balancer.

      I've owned two large 2T's... Husky 360 & Husky 430.
      Neither had a counter-balancer... Both vibrated a-lot.

      It never really bothered me... Just par for the course.
      Try siliconed ball-bearings in bar-ends to dampen it?
      Basically trying to work out if I could build a 2T ADV bike.
      Then trying to work out if I could do it with a cheaper platform than a late model Beta/KTM/Husky.

      Call it 50% serious, and 50% thought exercise.
      Beta 200RR

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      • #4
        Registerable CR500's do exist. Good luck finding a good one.
        They might even come with electric-start... Or could be fitted?

        I've a dodgy right ankle due to big bikes kicking back on me.
        Nevertheless: It doesn't hinder me: It's all par for the course.

        Edit: Speaking of that: It's the Compliance Plate you'd seek:
        Even if that whole bike was trashed; build another around it.
        The More I Learn... The Less I Know.
        That Which Doesn't Change... Stays The Same.
        Those That Don't Fall... Just Aren't Trying Hard Enough.
        Genius or Idiot... Sadly it's Defined by the Mediocre Masses... With their Hindsight.
        Dicklaimer... The Text above is to be Evaluated by a Responsible Person... Prior to Any Action Being Taken.

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        • #5
          I'm sorta into adventure... Having said that... I'd rather vicariously watch/experience it via YouTube.
          I do appreciate the commitment/dedication required to do such a thing: Frankly I'm too lazy myself.

          My idea of fun isn't a sore arse for weeks on end: Those who do have achieved more than me.
          I don't know it.. So I cannot judge.. It's only me... If I wanted to go to Perth... I'd surely fly there.


          The More I Learn... The Less I Know.
          That Which Doesn't Change... Stays The Same.
          Those That Don't Fall... Just Aren't Trying Hard Enough.
          Genius or Idiot... Sadly it's Defined by the Mediocre Masses... With their Hindsight.
          Dicklaimer... The Text above is to be Evaluated by a Responsible Person... Prior to Any Action Being Taken.

          *George Carlin*What We Do*No Bravery*Tell the Truth*911*Genetic Armageddon*Carbon Tax*Interplanetary Climate Change*Fracking*Shock Doctrine*Extinction Protocol*

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Spac View Post

            Basically trying to work out if I could build a 2T ADV bike.
            Then trying to work out if I could do it with a cheaper platform than a late model Beta/KTM/Husky.

            Call it 50% serious, and 50% thought exercise.
            You need a twin.

            https://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/t...yamaha-tdr250/


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            • #7
              Not sure any two stroke is an "adventure bike". Depends on your definition of adventure I suppose. Out of that lot you'd have to go for one of the ones with an oil tank. DT230 would be my pick, having had one.

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              • #8
                My Seadoo xp 800[ 2 cylinder 2 t] had a balance shaft , it was lubricated from the 2t oil tank [tube with a inline filter], which would heat up the oil in the tank.
                ^roost

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Spac View Post

                  Basically trying to work out if I could build a 2T ADV bike.
                  Then trying to work out if I could do it with a cheaper platform than a late model Beta/KTM/Husky.

                  Call it 50% serious, and 50% thought exercise.


                  you can build 2 stroke ADV easy i have done few ADV rides 2 day trips mainly with up to 700 ks on bity due to shitty weather

                  husky 2014 non CB, CB would be better, bottom line you got one bike it can be made to do the job real well with mods.

                  all you need to make it a god ADV bike is
                  seat comfort seat
                  up to gearing 14/50 will let you cruise over a 100 -110kph for hours
                  balanced wheels
                  some saddle bags for stuff an fuel

                  my husky has a lot of mods that helps
                  SC seat
                  twisted engineering bars cuts out a lot of vibes
                  STIC metering block you can get 18 to 20ks per litre easy
                  with my saddle bags i use 1 x 4 litre mineral turps containers with fuel foam to stop the fuel sloshing per side that's 18.5 litres with the stock tank, fuel range is 320 to 350ks minimum
                  shinko 505's rears are very smooth on the roads and wear good
                  I can carry extra 8 litres of each fuel some clothes small tent airbed and sleeping back with my setup and its not heavy still can do whoops with care

                  CB motor would be not an issue with vibes or speeds many good luggage products around i would go for carb 17-18 model 250 and get a long range tank.

                  KTM/ Husky 17-18 is your bike, when your on the HWY doing 125 kph overtaking semis coming back from broken hill over an hour at that speed yes you say i wish i had wind protection and another bike, it does depend on what type of ADV your thinking.

                  I have also done a trip from daly waters pub to the gulf and return over 2500 ks on the 2 stroke did it fine.

                  if i had the cash i would not buy a 2 stroke for ADV riding but if you only have one bike and your main ride is enduro or ST 2 stroke it can be an ADV bike if you need it to be





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                  • #10
                    Is this big enough for you, and counter balanced. Soon with a option TPI as well, just need a donor bike

                    https://brcracing.ca/
                    Current Rides

                    2019 Husqvarna Tx300

                    2017 Husqvarna Fx350

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cuffie View Post
                      Is this big enough for you, and counter balanced. Soon with a option TPI as well, just need a donor bike

                      https://brcracing.ca/
                      Reckon that I could buy a new Tenere for less than that would cost to get running...

                      I mean, I love my 2Ts but I am not sure if I love them that much...
                      Beta 200RR

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                      • #12
                        What about a DT400 ,bored ,geared up, running on castor oil , sit on 130 all day , but ,also, fitting mx handlebars to any road bike ,and semi knobs will turn it into a ok ADV,. actually ridden the old Kawasaki 500 3 pot, with mx bars , great fun.
                        ^roost

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pete40 View Post
                          Not sure any two stroke is an "adventure bike". Depends on your definition of adventure I suppose. Out of that lot you'd have to go for one of the ones with an oil tank. DT230 would be my pick, having had one.
                          Yeah, my criteria is counter balanced, oil injection, and more grunt than a DT230.

                          I already own a 'special' WR200 - with a bigger airbox, FMF pipe and free-flowing muffler, it blows the doors off a stock DT230. I have been experimenting with gearing and not been able to find a happy medium between lowish revs at 100kph and not needing to go down two gears at the first hint of a hill or headwind. Basically leading me to think that it simply lacks power for the job.





                          Beta 200RR

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Spac View Post

                            Basically trying to work out if I could build a 2T ADV bike.
                            I've done the scrapheap ADV ride 3 times on a DT200R and other than the fuel range and 100km/h top cruising speed it didn't have any other issues.

                            I think the shortest round trip was ~1800km on it.
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                            • #15
                              Chinese 250 based on the WR200/220 - GPX Moto TSE250R (USD$3000+shipping - shame they aren't reasonably priced)

                              I have an article here in a mag (I think...) with a bloke in the 90s who rode around Australie on a KDX200F1. I'd want a nice think sheepskin on mine.

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