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    Hi everyone,

    First thanks for activating my account. I am 34 y.o. and I haven't been riding dirt bikes for 15 years. Back when I was 14 to 18 I would go out riding with my friends or solo almost every afternoon, just for fun, and that routine after the years gave me a good level of confidence on the bike. Now that confidence is gone, there is none left. I recently rode a 250cc 2sk and felt uncomfortable and unsafe. It wasn't the most appropriate motorbike for enduro but yet I could feel the lack of practice. I even came off the bike and could remember how hard the ground is, fracturing a rib and having to go to work the day after. I quickly thought this is not for me anymore, but, I love dirtbikes too much and now I'm planning to get a proper one to go out and slowly have fun again.

    The debate I've got is whether to go 2 or 4 strokes. One candidate is the new WR250F which I've read a lot of positive things about. How good are they in regards of service intervals? This is actually the only point that stops me from having the WR as the only candidate. When I use to ride I remember the CRF450 4 strokes had to be serviced and valve adjusted every 10h, then the only 4sk I've had (EXC-F) blew up crank and piston while cruising and since then went back to 2 strokes.

    So this takes me to the next candidate, which is pretty much any 250cc 2 strokes in the market. They are engines bullet proof if they are well looked after and don't need to be serviced as often as the 4sk or at least this is my understanding based on what I saw back in 2005-2008, I could be completely wrong with nowadays standards. When I said 10h before I mean 10, 20 or 30h. I am after a bike that can be used say 1 year (weekends) by only doing the basic services (oil, air filter, chain, tyres) and not have to worry about pistons, valves, etc. From what I have seen and read the WR250F could tick all these boxes except the servicing, which doesn't get mentioned on videos or reviews. Just need an opinion from people that have it or know something about them.

    Long story short: after a long time without riding I am in the market to get a bike that is more or less light and reliable to do easy tracks and eventually some tricky enduro, nothing crazy like the hard enduro.

    Thanks for reading and I would appreciate any help and advice.

  • #2
    Maybe as well as a 4T you would be best to stick to 4Wheels ..
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    • #3
      Originally posted by SHARKMAN View Post
      Maybe as well as a 4T you would be best to stick to 4Wheels ..
      Thats not very encouraging Alf. Its not easy coming back after a couple of decades off the bike.

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      • #4
        Welcome to DBW & back to the dirt.

        Modern KTM 4T's (350 or bigger) go for 100's of hours without valve adjustments, only needing oil & filter changes... and the occasional wash.
        A 2T will need several top end rebuilds in that time.

        The 4T vs 2T question really comes down to the riding you'll be doing... and personal preference of course.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Coles Radio View Post
          Hi everyone,

          First thanks for activating my account. I am 34 y.o. and I haven't been riding dirt bikes for 15 years. Back when I was 14 to 18 I would go out riding with my friends or solo almost every afternoon, just for fun, and that routine after the years gave me a good level of confidence on the bike. Now that confidence is gone, there is none left. I recently rode a 250cc 2sk and felt uncomfortable and unsafe. It wasn't the most appropriate motorbike for enduro but yet I could feel the lack of practice. I even came off the bike and could remember how hard the ground is, fracturing a rib and having to go to work the day after. I quickly thought this is not for me anymore, but, I love dirtbikes too much and now I'm planning to get a proper one to go out and slowly have fun again.

          The debate I've got is whether to go 2 or 4 strokes. One candidate is the new WR250F which I've read a lot of positive things about. How good are they in regards of service intervals? This is actually the only point that stops me from having the WR as the only candidate. When I use to ride I remember the CRF450 4 strokes had to be serviced and valve adjusted every 10h, then the only 4sk I've had (EXC-F) blew up crank and piston while cruising and since then went back to 2 strokes.

          So this takes me to the next candidate, which is pretty much any 250cc 2 strokes in the market. They are engines bullet proof if they are well looked after and don't need to be serviced as often as the 4sk or at least this is my understanding based on what I saw back in 2005-2008, I could be completely wrong with nowadays standards. When I said 10h before I mean 10, 20 or 30h. I am after a bike that can be used say 1 year (weekends) by only doing the basic services (oil, air filter, chain, tyres) and not have to worry about pistons, valves, etc. From what I have seen and read the WR250F could tick all these boxes except the servicing, which doesn't get mentioned on videos or reviews. Just need an opinion from people that have it or know something about them.

          Long story short: after a long time without riding I am in the market to get a bike that is more or less light and reliable to do easy tracks and eventually some tricky enduro, nothing crazy like the hard enduro.

          Thanks for reading and I would appreciate any help and advice.
          A WR250F is an excellent bike, but it's not more or less light, it's heavy.
          .
          Ignorance leads to confidence more often than knowledge does
          .

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          • #6
            Buy the bike u need !

            not the bike u want .
            Pain is Inevitable...............Suffering is Optional

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            • #7
              Originally posted by OldManRiver View Post
              Thats not very encouraging Alf. Its not easy coming back after a couple of decades off the bike.
              Quads are a great option for someone returning to motorsports !!
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              Cheers

              Sharkman ..

              "Praise and Criticism are like chewing gum .. Chew it .. Just don't swallow it .."

              KTM FREERIDE 250 GEAR FOR SALE:
              Unused Scalvini Pipe + Carbon Silencer $590 Delivered ..
              New rear guard .. $100 delivered ..
              Freeride Bendix 18/30 (New Welded Variant) ..
              Freeride Crown Gear to match 18/30 Bendix ..
              Top Tripple $165 ..
              Bottom Tripple on steering shaft $220 ..

              All prices include postage to Australian Locations ..

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              • #8
                2022 ktm 250tpi
                Enjoy your life brother

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 380EXCQLD View Post
                  Welcome to DBW & back to the dirt.

                  Modern KTM 4T's (350 or bigger) go for 100's of hours without valve adjustments, only needing oil & filter changes... and the occasional wash.
                  A 2T will need several top end rebuilds in that time.

                  The 4T vs 2T question really comes down to the riding you'll be doing... and personal preference of course.
                  Thanks for your answer.
                  As I said I am planing to do easy trails to start with and then slowly escalate as I progress. Not a fan of buy-sell-buy, I would rather buy once and have the bike that allows me to do both.


                  Originally posted by Tom68 View Post

                  A WR250F is an excellent bike, but it's not more or less light, it's heavy.
                  WR250F is 115kg with fuel and oil, not european weighs but wouldn’t consider it heavy. Maybe you are thinking of the old chunky WR250F before it became WR250R and now WR250F again?


                  Originally posted by TOE - CUTTER View Post
                  Buy the bike u need !

                  not the bike u want .
                  Wise words. Bike I want is 2T and bike I need is probably a 4T hence this post trying to find info as this new Yamaha model is a mistery to me.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Coles Radio View Post


                    WR250F is 115kg with fuel and oil, not european weighs but wouldn’t consider it heavy. Maybe you are thinking of the old chunky WR250F before it became WR250R and now WR250F again?
                    I don't take too much notice of manufacturers claims.
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                    Ignorance leads to confidence more often than knowledge does
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                    • #11
                      Still a bit vague Coles Radio imo.
                      If you-will haul-it & then-do ride-it:

                      Source a 300 2T & tone-down PV.
                      Torque is where its at.. In my Pov.

                      I've owned-both-big... 2T's & 4T's.
                      Big engines are mellow; if sorted.

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                      My bike serves-me: I must own.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Coles Radio View Post

                        Thanks for your answer.
                        As I said I am planing to do easy trails to start with and then slowly escalate as I progress. Not a fan of buy-sell-buy, I would rather buy once and have the bike that allows me to do both.




                        WR250F is 115kg with fuel and oil, not european weighs but wouldn’t consider it heavy. Maybe you are thinking of the old chunky WR250F before it became WR250R and now WR250F again?




                        Wise words. Bike I want is 2T and bike I need is probably a 4T hence this post trying to find info as this new Yamaha model is a mistery to me.
                        When you say escalate, do you mean speed or technical terrain?
                        Either way, any 250 4T will likely have you wanting more power/torque in the near future.

                        The two most versatile bikes today are the 300 & 350 EXC's (or their red or white step sisters).
                        I rode most of last year with a mate on a 350 and the only times he wishes for the smoker is when we're in first gear for any length of time, especially if it's steep & tight.
                        Where the 300 has torque at engine speeds below idle, the 350 will die.
                        The other big difference between the two is engine braking... it basically doesn't exist on the 2T, so downhills are more like riding a mtb.

                        Next question is how much can you spend?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 380EXCQLD View Post

                          When you say escalate, do you mean speed or technical terrain?
                          Either way, any 250 4T will likely have you wanting more power/torque in the near future.

                          The two most versatile bikes today are the 300 & 350 EXC's (or their red or white step sisters).
                          I rode most of last year with a mate on a 350 and the only times he wishes for the smoker is when we're in first gear for any length of time, especially if it's steep & tight.
                          Where the 300 has torque at engine speeds below idle, the 350 will die.
                          The other big difference between the two is engine braking... it basically doesn't exist on the 2T, so downhills are more like riding a mtb.

                          Next question is how much can you spend?
                          I've ridden a 2021 WR250F back to back with my 2021 350F, the 250F had plenty of power, it builds revs faster than the 350 but doesn't have the torque as expected, It has more than enough grunt for most riders though. My mate who owns it has won is class in the 4 day in the past and loves it.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Coles Radio View Post

                            Thanks for your answer.
                            As I said I am planing to do easy trails to start with and then slowly escalate as I progress. Not a fan of buy-sell-buy, I would rather buy once and have the bike that allows me to do both.




                            WR250F is 115kg with fuel and oil, not european weighs but wouldn’t consider it heavy. Maybe you are thinking of the old chunky WR250F before it became WR250R and now WR250F again?




                            Wise words. Bike I want is 2T and bike I need is probably a 4T hence this post trying to find info as this new Yamaha model is a mistery to me.



                            none of these moto,s r heavy .

                            they just dont float .

                            beware the 300 2t sheep club...great but , really an over powered chassis ,top heavy pig.

                            300 4 t for all round versatility , and unmatchable tourque , a 300 2t dont come anywhere near the 4 t ability to transfer power to ground,


                            my advise stay away from kato ,

                            their best days r behind them .


                            ANY bike properly set up , for the terrain u wish to ride ,will see u nail anything with practice ,,

                            just find the easiest one to live with.
                            Pain is Inevitable...............Suffering is Optional

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                            • #15
                              Don’t over-think it. When we say “such and such is garbage, you ought to buy this instead”, we’re really talking about fine details that most inexperienced/out of practice riders won’t even notice.

                              The 2T vs 4T thing is now just personal experience, really. The unreliable 4Ts have been fixed or they’ve stopped making them. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any late model enduro bike with a reputation for being unreliable.

                              Similarly, a 250F is still faster than 99% of riders can ever use. Maybe not the ideal bike for everyone, but a hugely competent and enjoyable bike that will be plenty fast enough in the bush.

                              Honestly, I can’t think of a recent 250-350 four stroke or 200-300 two stroke enduro bike that I would recommend you avoid. Find the bike that suits you, and a dealer that you get along with.
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