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    Hi there all rego bikes are too tall and too heavy.
    Iím looking at buying a Beta X trainer, any thoughts?

  • #2
    How tall are you and what kind of riding do you do? You could also look at a Beta 200rr as the spec sheet says it is only 97.5kg dry and has a 930mm seat height vs x trainer 920mm. So that's only 10mm height difference.

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    • #3
      Hi Iím 176cm but I like low seat heights, and the lighter the better.
      Iíll look up the beta rr thank you.
      I ride in Mundaring so 4 strokes are better for hills

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Motobird View Post
        I ride in Mundaring so 4 strokes are better for hills
        Depends on the Hills.

        Tough technical climbs are easier on a 2 stroke, don't know about Mundaring but the West is famous for it's open area riding, that's 4 stroke stuff

        Leg length affects the seat height you'll be comfortable with, if it does involve a lot of open riding a lowered full size bike gives you a full length wheelbase that'll help with stability.
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        • #5
          I'm a short old Man so can relate to your problems, i have a Sherco 300 FI that i mainly use for single snotty trails. I also have an old KTM 400 that i mainly use for High Country type rides, i shaved about 3Kgs off but it still feels a fair bit heaver than the Sherco.
          I sat down & had a think about my the problems i was having,as long as i was moving on either bike all was good but if i dropped the KTM it would wear me out picking it up compared to picking up the Sherco I decided i needed better balance & clutch control, i have a couple of old twin shock Honda trials bikes so i went to the Oakleigh club grounds & practiced off camber hills, steps & just going as slow as i could & staying in control I can ride my bikes around here on some slopes, logs rocks etc. What i do is ride the trials bike through an area first & then try & do it on the Shrerco & KTM, i definitely am a lot better up hills & i find the trials riding helps you pick good lines also. i also cut about an inch out of both my seats
          2000 ktm 400 exc
          2015 Sherco 300i 6 day
          1986 Honda TLR 250 trials bike x 2

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Motobird View Post
            Hi Iím 176cm but I like low seat heights, and the lighter the better.
            Iíll look up the beta rr thank you.
            I ride in Mundaring so 4 strokes are better for hills
            Here's a couple of good reads on the Beta XT
            https://rideexpeditions.com/beta-x-t...t-enduro-bike/
            https://adbmag.com.au/editorial/beta...term-update-1/
            It pumps one way and then it pumps the other...
            you have to know what you're doing with these machines and wear gloves
            Current rides: 125 trially, 200EXC, 2x 250EXCs, XR70, DRZ70, Banshee
            https://paypal.me/dreamfieldtheory

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            • #7
              Thatís the problem you end up with 3-4 bikes 🙄

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              • #8
                Sounds like a really good option by the reviews. It is 99 kg versus 92kg for the KTM freeride 250 r. Or 98kg the freeride 250 f.
                I sat on a freeride and the foot pegs were really high it felt awkward.
                I asked the BETA seller what is the fuel range he said 40-50klm 😬.
                Iíll have to see if I can pick it up from the ground...

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                • #9
                  I'm 5 foot 10 & 67kg naked: Probably 6ft & 80kg with gear-on:
                  You do need to be able to pick-up your bike: That's technique.

                  You certainly shouldn't be risking your back: You don't need to imo:
                  If you've skills to pick-up a light-bike... You're able-to a bit-heavier.
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                  You're not particularly height-challenged imo Motobird:
                  For those of us who are;- there are several easy fixes.

                  You maybe-could place a 3mm innersole in your boots:
                  You could contact-adhesive 5mm rubber to your soles.

                  Some riders "hot-wire" cut ~10mm from their seat's foam:
                  Re-install it's cover via carpet-stapler & contact-adhesive.

                  Postie bikes can actually be harder to ride due to their lack of power:
                  Motorcycles are steered by using the throttle more-so than the bars.

                  Accelerating in a corner will raise the bike up/towards vertical:
                  Conversely;- backing-off in a corner will tighten-up the radius.

                  To turn-in you push that end of the handle-bar forward; to tip-it into the corner:
                  You actually/initially steer-in the opposite direction of that/which you wish to go.

                  That's why target-fixation can catch the unwary unawares:
                  It seems counter-intuitive at-first; yet it's rapidly mastered.


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                  • #10
                    good riding technique will do you more favors than the lightest bike you can find (although a lighter bike definitely helps).

                    You should practice starting/stopping 1st gear only keeping your feet on the pegs. Move your weight forward before accelerating (let the bike catch up) and move your weight back as you come to a complete stop. This is about transferring the intertia of the bike into your body and then back into the bike as you start moving again, it should be a smooth motion.

                    Slow circles with the steering at full lock, drag the rear brake a bit if you have to, try to go as slow as possible without putting a foot down. you can lean in the opposite direction to keep you and the bike central. as said above the bike will tip more the closer it comes to a stop and want to stand up when you accelerate.

                    These exercises are about body position, brake, clutch and throttle control all combined which all contribute to your balance. Good riding starts with good balance and control, then it won't matter what you ride. Weight only really becomes a problem when you're picking the bike up off the ground multiple times a day. If you can avoid this, it's good :grinning-

                    Personally, I think you should get a KTM200 geared to 13/48 and put a flywheel weight on it.
                    It pumps one way and then it pumps the other...
                    you have to know what you're doing with these machines and wear gloves
                    Current rides: 125 trially, 200EXC, 2x 250EXCs, XR70, DRZ70, Banshee
                    https://paypal.me/dreamfieldtheory

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                    • #11
                      Hi thanks for advise. They donít make the KTM200 any more they are not very common. There was one for sale for 7500$ I think they are worth 4500$ so itís an availability issue, they are VERY tall

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                      • #12
                        Motobird, what bike have you decided on?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Motobird View Post
                          Hi thanks for advise. They donít make the KTM200 any more they are not very common. There was one for sale for 7500$ I think they are worth 4500$ so itís an availability issue, they are VERY tall
                          Not the earlier models that shared the 125 frame, up to 2007(I think?).
                          I noticed one locally here for $3600 recently, not that that helps you any.

                          I occasionally ride with a 16 yr old girl that has about an '05 model.
                          She goes anywhere here father does on his 300 SEF-R(sometimes further) and that thing is a mountain goat.

                          Honestly, those earlier 200's are probably one of the most capable (& fun) bikes for the vertically challenged, but they are getting hard to find in good nick.

                          What's your budget?
                          I can't remember if you needed rego either?
                          If money's no object consider the KTM150XC-W or the new ADR compliant 2020 KTM150EXC.

                          ...and what's wrong with having 3 or 4 bikes?

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                          • #14
                            Yes I was drooling over the 2020 ktm 150EXC but theyíd be 14000$ thereabouts.
                            I bought a KTM FREERIDE 250 R yesterday.
                            $4000 with rego.
                            It is the 2 stroke and claimed weight 93kg. It does 70-80klm with one tank, while the Beta did 40 klm in one tank the seller said.
                            So Iíll put up here the veredict once Iíve ridden it a few times

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 380EXCQLD View Post
                              ...and what's wrong with having 3 or 4 bikes?
                              Exactly, I have 5.
                              It pumps one way and then it pumps the other...
                              you have to know what you're doing with these machines and wear gloves
                              Current rides: 125 trially, 200EXC, 2x 250EXCs, XR70, DRZ70, Banshee
                              https://paypal.me/dreamfieldtheory

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