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  • Originally posted by OldManRiver View Post
    A political beatup according to Spac.
    What was it that he's hung up on again?
    You can't even remember what your point is anymore.

    I said that the virus was not manufactured or modified by humans.
    You objected to that.

    And now we're here. You're trying to discredit my point with an article that includes the following:
    "Virologists have been vehemently skeptical of the theory that COVID-19 was engineered or deliberately constructed in a laboratory; the director of the National Institutes of Health has written that recent genomic research “debunks such claims by providing scientific evidence that this novel coronavirus arose naturally.” And none of the above is definitive proof that COVID-19 originated from a bat at either the Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention or the Wuhan Institute of Virology".
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    • Originally posted by wazza View Post
      I was refering to people who already had serious terminal conditions, not a condition they had been living with without any problems.
      I knew exactly what you were driving at when you first asked the question.

      Personally, I find it distasteful to categorise those dying from terminal conditions and covid 19, because from where I sit it appears that once you start doing that it somehow diminishes the impact of those deaths, kind of like saying those deaths don't matter or count because they were dying anyway. We're all dying, each and every one of us. Where do you draw the line between the ones that don't matter and those that do? It adds nothing to the discussion IMHO.
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      • quote=Max at the Flat... Very very interesting!! ...
        I clicked cause you interest me & I value your pov.

        You'd be more interesting by unmasking your view.
        It's a big ask to read a long-article without-context.

        Edit: I'm not picking on you here, it's not my intent.
        Simply-that: I've learn't people need spoon-feeding.

        Edit2: I bumped your article 'cause it's worth a read.
        See here mine, who's gonna search for value in that.

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        • Originally posted by OldManRiver View Post
          The virus originated in china - that seems to be fact. The virus was in possession of, and under study by, Chinese authorities long time gone - well before November. Do you accept that on the balance of probabilities?
          If so, who gives a flying whether signs of manipulation are undetectable?Who says it was any more than careless incompetence? It only takes one weak link to break a chain.
          Originally posted by Spac View Post
          You can't even remember what your point is anymore.
          I said that the virus was not manufactured or modified by humans. - With all the authority of some chick who went to a couple of uni lectures.
          You objected to that.
          And now we're here. You're trying to discredit my point with an article that includes the following:
          I couldnt give a toss whether the chinese manufactured or modified their bug.
          Very much a side issue - you can argue with yourself if you like.
          You seem to be conflating several others viewpoints with mine.
          The bug emanated from Wuhan, and I believe it came from the lab. End of story.
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          • It would be extremely naive to disregard the possibility of a deliberate plot by China based upon the fact the virus was present on home soil.

            A bit of collateral damage never bothered those in power and it makes a great alibi.

            Regardless of how much of their actual cases are hidden or not, it seems strange their infection rate is so relatively low, nor has it been able to spread around their country as efficiently as it has around the rest of the globe. Especially if you factor in relatively poor hygiene practices, massive Chinese New Year domestic travel and the length of time they took to react.

            I also can't help but think, if this thing had of originated in the USA, the reactions from those who are so eager to dismiss China's wrongdoings would be the exact opposite
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            • So we can guess that the virus probably wasn't manufactured by the chinese but was under study in Wuhan. There is a strong possibility that it "escaped" from the lab in Wuhan and infected the poulation. We will probably never know because the chinese won't tell us what they have found.

              From what I've observed the world's opinion of the chinese state is turning, hopefully we will learn not to trust them. They've set themselves up so we rely on them while they infiltrate our organisations both government and private.
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              • Whatever, it should make a good movie with more than a couple of different story lines ?
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                • Originally posted by Craigy View Post
                  So we can guess that the virus probably wasn't manufactured by the chinese but was under study in Wuhan. There is a strong possibility that it "escaped" from the lab in Wuhan and infected the poulation. We will probably never know because the chinese won't tell us what they have found.

                  From what I've observed the world's opinion of the chinese state is turning, hopefully we will learn not to trust them. They've set themselves up so we rely on them while they infiltrate our organisations both government and private.
                  First off Craigy stop making sense it brings down the tone of the conversation

                  Second my bold in your statement above....what could go wrong are not they our benevolent trading partners? Look what they do to their other trading partners once they get a foot in the door.

                  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47679760

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                  https://spectator.us/italy-china-ppe-sold-coronavirus/

                  ^^
                  Look everyone we sold the donated PPE that Italy gave us back to Italy and made a motsa after letting the virus escape and not telling the world... fu@k we are nice!!

                  We already know of the massive effort to get medical supplies out of Australia which I am reliably informed only one shipment got out and the other one was stopped but they knew the virus was gunna be bad and tried to strip other countries of their medical supplies...….before they admitted to the severity of the outbreak which has now come undeniable, this is despite what other people on here would have you believe.

                  The undeniable fact is weather or not the virus has been manipulated in a lab or has occurred naturally Chinese authorities knew how bad it was once they started seeing an outbreak and went to great measures to first of all hide it then blame shift while at the same time shoring up their own interests.

                  Maybe just maybe China is not our benevolent trading partner….think about that because as the old saying goes never let a good crisis go to waste if it can further your goals.

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                  • Originally posted by Pete40 View Post
                    Sorry, but that was unreadable dribble. Sites that continue to post advertising over the content are just annoying. Besides that the article was disjointed.
                    works ok on a desktop, the video link below which is in the story is the interesting thing as that is what the story was based upon

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQF...ature=youtu.be

                    As with everything you take with a grain of salt what you see but the fellow in the video articulates himself quite well with how he got to his conclusion along with presenting what look like to be credible data and research particularly with regards to the labs in question plus their staff.

                    Just to reiterate I don't speak or read Chinese but I have had business dealings in the past on quite a reasonable scale in a past life both directly and also indirectly including Australian government grant status and the simple fact remains in my own private dealings the Chinese tried to **** me over with substandard product once it arrived here with no possibility of returning it however after seeing the conditions that the factory was putting people through I swore to never deal with them again even though the venture was quite successful (people buy cheap quality shit if it is still cheap!!).
                    On the Government grant side of things despite the promises of ongoing multi million dollar contracts as soon as they had the first water treatment plant up and running and it had passed its start up phase/delivery with flying colours they cut all ties...……….just like the wily old bloke who runs the Australian company said they would.
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                    • Originally posted by Craigy View Post
                      So we can guess that the virus probably wasn't manufactured by the chinese but was under study in Wuhan. There is a strong possibility that it "escaped" from the lab in Wuhan and infected the poulation. We will probably never know because the chinese won't tell us what they have found.
                      I'm not a conspiracy theorist but there's a few things about this whole episode I find unsettling.

                      1) Why do the effects of CoVid-19 replicate altitude sickness and not every other pneumo-virus?

                      2) How did Shanghai and Beijing escape the virus which spread like wildfire around the world?

                      3) Why does the 'virus' not drastically affect the young, like every other pneumo-virus?

                      Hopefully the truth comes out...
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                      • I would say that it's just an art of war being played out here clearly, Socialism wins the day and tosses us into that much debt that your Nation is RS then we all become good modern day Communist Slaves.

                        One does not have to shoot people nowadays in a war, also wars are always about money and power, Trump started to turn the USA economy around from where it was clearly heading to crash that badly that even the village idiot could see that was the plan, but half of USA good for nothing lowlife want to become a Socialist State as they love the handouts, but the poor bastards will be shafted when the Nation bankrupt as no money to hand out to anyone then. how are such going to survive, when they have never truly ever worked for a living and then reality is going to kick in that hard that they will wish to die.

                        The major Banks control the world and China was the plan to invest for the best returns it's that simple, as they can exploit the people easy as.

                        Look at North Korea that has been propped up for years with USA tax payers paying for the whole military dollar for dollar, oh it comes under the heading Aid so they will not starve to death. what if Australia had the same % of our people in the military our economy could not survive such as well with out Aid and if the USA did not give them a cent the whole military would not exist, such a monstrosity could not survive.

                        Look at the nonsense made up about Russia interfering in USA elections, that's a nothing at all as to what the Talmud control the USA and they order the USA around like a puppy dog and all one need do is just read the Talmud books as all is explained in there books, what they think of you all clearly. but who has the guts to say hey look at what them books say, as it exposes the most evil Mob ever by far, no one comes close to that Mob of creeps. They have to be exposed and then you will see why all the wars truly came about.

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                        • quote=Nutty Hopefully the truth comes out...
                          ... As Andrew Bolt has just said only today ...


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                          • We are dealing with the chinese, so i really don't think the truth will ever be known !!
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                            • Originally posted by normanator27 View Post
                              I knew exactly what you were driving at when you first asked the question.

                              Personally, I find it distasteful to categorise those dying from terminal conditions and covid 19, because from where I sit it appears that once you start doing that it somehow diminishes the impact of those deaths, kind of like saying those deaths don't matter or count because they were dying anyway. We're all dying, each and every one of us. Where do you draw the line between the ones that don't matter and those that do? It adds nothing to the discussion IMHO.
                              I had no intention of diminishing the impact of the deaths, and I certainly didn't mean that as they were already terminal that they didn't matter. What I'm asking is is how many deaths are a direct result of the virus alone, to get a better and more acurate understanding of just how dangerous it is.
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                              • Interesting Boris Johnson is in ICU, Nosty said the leader of England would die this year, I thought the queen?maybe not.92242333_3135622966477536_6040671446542319616_n.jpg
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