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  • #91
    15 is stock.

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    • #92
      15 or 14. Seems to be euro vs US spec from what I have read on the 200RR FB page.
      The Aussie ones come with both - the 14 is a good quality sprocket, the 15 looks like cheese. This leads most people (including myself) to assume that they are meant to have the 14 fitted.

      Which is different to saying that the 14 is better.
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      • #93
        15/14?
        When I had a loan of one for a week I was confused with the 15 fitted on a brand new one. I asked Roon on here and he said the 15 was stock. I never tried the 14. I reckon the gearing needed a tweak though. It is something that can be very rider and terrain specific for sure though.

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        • #94
          NECJ needle fitted today. 0.04mm larger diameter on the idle section than the N1EI.
          Passes the backyard test - mixture screw down to 2.5 turns out. Was expecting to have to richen up the pilot, but apparently not.
          Still waiting for the smaller pilot jets to turn up. Lots of stuff has been super slow lately, even before the virus panic took over the world.
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          • #95
            NECJ is good. Did ~50km in the bush over the weekend, and it was great.

            Definitely going to try the 15T front. It is flat knacker at 110kph and even 80kph transports are uncomfortable.
            Also found that when I pulled up, I couldnít find neutral. Worked out that usual 3rd gear sections were actually being done in 4th.... and neutral isnít between 2nd and 3rd...

            Loving it overall. Plenty of places where I felt 100% comfortable at a speed that I knew was going to catch out my rusty brain and unfit body, so I backed off - but it kept sneaking back up on me.

            Fuel economy from the last ride (with the original needle) was 7.4 litres for 84km.
            Didnít keep track of how much fuel went in this time and there was about 30km of transport, so not going to be able to get figures until the next ride.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Spac View Post
              NECJ is good. Did ~50km in the bush over the weekend, and it was great.

              Definitely going to try the 15T front. It is flat knacker at 110kph and even 80kph transports are uncomfortable.
              Also found that when I pulled up, I couldnít find neutral. Worked out that usual 3rd gear sections were actually being done in 4th.... and neutral isnít between 2nd and 3rd...

              Loving it overall. Plenty of places where I felt 100% comfortable at a speed that I knew was going to catch out my rusty brain and unfit body, so I backed off - but it kept sneaking back up on me.

              Fuel economy from the last ride (with the original needle) was 7.4 litres for 84km.
              Didnít keep track of how much fuel went in this time and there was about 30km of transport, so not going to be able to get figures until the next ride.
              15 tooth on a 200 will last for ever, well done to BETA on their internal gearing.
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              • #97
                I reckon it's 125 primary drive ratio and gearbox ratios.
                200 doesn't rev as hard and has more torque - hence the taller final gearing.
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                • #98
                  Tried the 15T today. Better but not 100%.

                  Was wet~damp - some bits of trail were magic, some were slippery as fudge. My riding partner was in desperate need of decompressing from work and home stress, so nothing too gnarly - G3 all the way. We rode down one reasonably snotty hill, so I turned around and went back up. The good line was way too easy, so I tried again on a crappier line and that was no problem either. Although I did manage to topple over on the flat bit at the top...

                  The gearing was definitely better overall. Never even began to struggle on the hills we rode, but in the slime it felt like a bit of a gap between 1st and 2nd. Either the revs were too high in 1st and it was hard to find traction, or they were low in 2nd and I needed to use the clutch a lot.

                  I need to do some nastier hills before I make a final call on the gearing. My feeling is that I will end up around 14/47 (from the 15/49 it has now, and the original 14/49).

                  Still loving it. Happy with the jetting now. An unexpected bonus is that it idles like a DT200.

                  The other bike on the ride was a 2015 GasGas200 - where the Beta feels like a baby 300, the GG clearly had a weaker bottom end and a bigger midrange hit. Not helped by the bloody Clake he has fitted, which makes clutch modulation bloody difficult.
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                  • #99
                    A few more kays under the wheels. Mostly riding the simple single tracks around Tomerong with The Wife, so entirely about good times rather than pretending that I'm either Jarvis or Holcombe - although there have been a few times of pushing the pace...

                    Has the Ohlins rear shock for a couple of rides now. 5.6 spring.
                    Jetting and gearing unchanged.

                    This bike is brilliant. It is better than I ever dreamed the 2011 Husky 150XC would be, and a bunch more.
                    Riding it back-to-back with the 2013 300 shows that it is not perfect - the 200 doesn't grunt off the bottom as well (duh), but it makes the 300 feel like a tank in comparison. Still reckon it is easily the best 200 motor I have ever ridden.

                    The Ohlins with the stiffer spring just gets traction. Most noticeable when you just need to lift the front wheel over a puddle or small/medium log - despite my fat arse and the smallish motor, it just comes up every time. Previous issues with trying to ride it like a 300 have disappeared.

                    The 15/49 gearing has been good for the simple riding I have been doing lately. It is comfortable transporting at 80kph, and not-insufferable at a steady 100kph. Certainly no problem getting up moderate hills (haven't tried any big hills with this gearing).
                    Rapidly concluding that the gearbox ratios could be wider with the 200's grunt.

                    Last two tanks have been better than 6.5 litres/100km which surprised me. Not getting too excited about this because the riding has been easy, but encouraging.
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                    • 116kph on the limiter. That’s with 15/49 sprockets and a 90/100 front tyre (assuming the speedo is calibrated for a 90/90, the actual speed may be a smidge higher).

                      I have finally ordered a 47T rear sprocket. I reckon that 14/47 will be very close to what I need for racing, and 15/47 will be fine for the simple rides with The Wife.
                      Although, she’s improving rapidly on the 300. Once her XTrainer turns up, I assume that she will take another leap forward and...
                      Buuut once her XT turns up, I will get my 300 back and the 200 will be just a race bike (assuming that there are races ever again).
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                      • She's doing well in riding the 300... however she/does manage to do that.
                        I'm 5'10. Most women are shorter. Her shorter bike will up her confidence.
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                        • 14/47 gearing at Tallaganda yesterday, would have been better with 14/49, but the hills I struggled on were more about my ability than the bike.

                          Didn’t notice the/a gap between 1st and 2nd gears and any loss of top speed was irrelevant in yesterday’s terrain.

                          Beta 200RR

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                          • Update...
                            I love this bike.

                            I still haven't raced it, but up to 1100k from new/900km in my hands.

                            A couple of weeks ago, our simple ride turned into some proper gnarly stuff out at Tallaganda. The current gearing is too tall in the hard stuff - the stall speed is too high and it will cough and die like a 4T at times. Still think that the gearing is going to be right for most racing.
                            Then today, it was perfectly happy shepherding the 10yo on her XR80.

                            It has been given oil and clean airfilter quite regularly, but is still on the original piston & rings, clutch, wheel bearings etc. It starts quickly and easily every time.





                            Beta 200RR

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                            • Yep and don't let on ...but is a major failing by Stefan.
                              How he can let his product planning group delete this size model out of their range (now times 3 sales)
                              and show ho hum attitude to it returning ...has got me beat!
                              In any other major corp. it'd be a sackable offence after just two sales cycles (MY, or periods, read years. )

                              And to make the 125 into a 150 But not do a 200...well I'm flabbergasted. Even more than that.
                              Stuff it Im going to write Matinghoffen and agitate for an (extraordinary) EGM. ASAP.

                              Never mind ... now return to normal Beta transmission!

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