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  • #46
    A bit of thread mining. The OP reported being pinged by a camera riding on the horse trails and warned us.
    It looks like everyone heeded the warning because with no motorbikes on the horse trails they are now overgrown to the extent that they will soon be unuseable because horse riders never use them. Once the lantana takes over they'll be lost forever.

    A note to the QPWS staff who monitor social media and forums like this, looking for non compliance. I have been riding in this area for 25+ years and have never seen a horse being ridden on these trails. . If your Department were to change their policy and allow motorbikes on these horse trails then at least one user group will gain some benefit from them.


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    • #47
      I agree don, had many great rides at mt mee, and never once did I see horse riders.
      We did ride the horse tracks and it would have helped keep them clear.
      If I remember a fair bit of the problem with mt mee was the carpark heros pissing off the nearby houses. does that still go on?

      horses are also permitted to use the trails where I MTB, as they should be able to, and I only remember seeing horse riders twice, bayview trail as a large parking area for horse floats, never seen one there.

      The horse crowd did seem to be well catered for, but they rarely seem to make use of the trails

      imbil and kennilworth have been the only places I have regularly come across horse riders, and there has never been an issue been us.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by DV8 View Post
        The horse trails they are now overgrown to the extent that they will soon be unuseable because horse riders never use them. Once the lantana takes over they'll be lost forever.
        A note to the QPWS staff who monitor social media and forums like this, looking for non compliance. I have been riding in this area for 25+ years and have never seen a horse being ridden on these trails. . If your Department were to change their policy and allow motorbikes on these horse trails then at least one user group will gain some benefit from them.
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        Don do you think that a responsible entity such as - The Qld TrailRiders Association and The Dept. Of Environment and Science (QPWS, parks.des.gov.qld.au) could enter into a joint management agreement for the betterment of all?As you've clearly pointed out the area there is neither being properly cared for nor used to the betterment of the community.

        DES/QPWS have joint management agreements in place with other community organisations. And the downhill MTB brigade have no trouble sourcing both allocation of resources (land) and funding to create trails throughout the state.
        Imagine the revenue the State Govt could harness from International Tourism based around our great trailriding resources and turists flying in specifically for this activity?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Motoxfox View Post

          Don do you think that a responsible entity such as - The Qld TrailRiders Association and The Dept. Of Environment and Science (QPWS, parks.des.gov.qld.au) could enter into a joint management agreement for the betterment of all?As you've clearly pointed out the area there is neither being properly cared for nor used to the betterment of the community.

          DES/QPWS have joint management agreements in place with other community organisations. And the downhill MTB brigade have no trouble sourcing both allocation of resources (land) and funding to create trails throughout the state.
          Imagine the revenue the State Govt could harness from International Tourism based around our great trailriding resources and turists flying in specifically for this activity?

          ARRA is our new friend in this space.
          https://arra.land/

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          • #50
            Won't happen. They just don't like the damage trail bikes cause. A lot of guys who go up those trails struggle to get traction and dig trenches. The Rangers don't like that.

            C-break was made years ago as a test case for bikes to see how it would hold up. It went pretty well I thought, but nothing progressed from it.

            I could design and make them a really good one way track system that would hold up against erosion. The tracks in there now are all pretty good but some just keep getting deeper trenches due to inexperienced riders. Which leads to a graded(1,2,3 etc) track system. John Hudson tried to get it going years ago. Went nowhere. The Rangers who are willing to listen come and go. Their stance is pretty clear, it's easier to gate it off than manage it with the users.

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            • #51
              What's the camping like down there?
              Worth the 2.5 hr drive if I bring the smokey nag down for a trot around?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by 380EXCQLD View Post
                What's the camping like down there?
                Worth the 2.5 hr drive if I bring the smokey nag down for a trot around?
                Good for City folk who've never been past the local groomed park. I reckon from your posts you've got it covered up your way mate.

                As an aside, I go past a little privately owned camp ground called "Running Creek" on my way to Bellthorpe every week. It's a flat paddock with a little creek running along the back of it. That place gets packed out every Friday afternoon, and you have to pay!

                In saying that, the campground at the north end of Mt. Mee forest is also private and very beautiful. Gets packed out every Easter for sure. I'm just not into camping out in the bush surrounded by other campers unless they're my riding mates.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by 380EXCQLD View Post
                  What's the camping like down there?
                  Worth the 2.5 hr drive if I bring the smokey nag down for a trot around?
                  There are 2 QPWS campgrounds within the park. https://parks.des.qld.gov.au/parks/daguilar/camping
                  Neurum Creek is reasonably central and is a fairly quiet bushland setting. I've been known to go there for a quiet overnighter to get out of the house, best during the week. If there's one thing the QPWS do reasonably well it's managing campgrounds, second only to their gate building prowess..
                  If you're going there I can give you some GPS tracks to get you in the general areas. There is some reasonably good riding in the Forestry area on the north side because 4WD's can't get in there, (and it's legal)
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by 380EXCQLD View Post


                    ARRA is our new friend in this space.
                    https://arra.land/
                    Any representatives on the commitee of ARRA in Qld tho?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Pete40 View Post
                      C-break was made years ago as a test case for bikes to see how it would hold up. It went pretty well I thought, but nothing progressed from it.
                      When approx was that Pete?........ remembering I was out of moto for quite some time.
                      Did QPWS or whoever they were tagged then....give it a red hot go?
                      Or was it ....'we'll just let these naffers have their head for 6mths or so then we'll shut it down. Having them given us all the ammunition we require to cover our arses in the process" Touche`

                      Nothing Im asking is presumptuous. I just dont have any knowledge of what went occured then.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Motoxfox View Post

                        Any representatives on the commitee of ARRA in Qld tho?
                        I believe the main reason we've never been able to get anywhere with QPWS or any earlier iterations is because there has never been any cohesive representation of trail riders. There are even threads on DBW where discussion over such things has turned into a shitfight before anything actually happened.or any representations were made.
                        On the other hand Horse riders have representation, as do 4WD groups and various Govt departments seem happy to talk to them.
                        You may recall the Beattie Government actually banned horses from National Parks because they were an exotic species, along with bees, dogs and cats. The horse ban got overturned after a couple of months through political pressure and now they have dedicated trails that they don't use.
                        From the best I can recall the "C" break idea came about with riders talking to the rangers on site and they agreed to bollard off a couple of sections of track to exclude 4WD's. As Pete mentioned the track has stood up fairly well and is still bollarded and still in existence and signed as motorbike only. Back in those days most of the rangers were old forestry workers who were receptive to sensible and practical ideas.
                        Curiously, about 2 years ago they set up 'H" break as a motorbike only track.as well. I guess they thought it couldn't be made any worse than it already was.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DV8 View Post

                          I believe the main reason ........ is because there has never been any cohesive representation of trail riders.
                          There are even threads on DBW where discussion over such things has turned into a shitfight before anything actually happened.
                          On the other hand Horse riders have representation, as do 4WD groups and various Govt departments seem happy to talk to them.
                          Don I dont doubt it.
                          And Im not dishing anything that occurred previously. But from a simple - and no, no govt dept is easy and simple to lobby, But from a simple anti - discrimination / look what they're doing $$ for the DMTB brigade/ BMX kids, etc. / we trail riders have been around as an entity since the 1970's and a sum total for SEQld is a couple of private parks and one only combined park - Moto Park - a pretty piss poor effort from the STh East Mayors combined.

                          And we haven't yet got to the number of deaths in recent years caused by head ons in unsupervised / managed trail riding areas whether they be legal or not.
                          All Im pointing out is a 2nd or 3rd grade Barister would simply pony up the starter button on any old D9 he can get his hands on and proceed to cut a swath right through any dept's objection to sensible requests for support from a reasonably organised group.

                          And before you say.....I recognise I dont possess the required personality profile needed here.
                          As Id likely m.r.er some nuct in very quick time. Just saying.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Pete40 View Post

                            Good for City folk who've never been past the local groomed park. I reckon from your posts you've got it covered up your way mate.

                            As an aside, I go past a little privately owned camp ground called "Running Creek" on my way to Bellthorpe every week. It's a flat paddock with a little creek running along the back of it. That place gets packed out every Friday afternoon, and you have to pay!

                            In saying that, the campground at the north end of Mt. Mee forest is also private and very beautiful. Gets packed out every Easter for sure. I'm just not into camping out in the bush surrounded by other campers unless they're my riding mates.
                            Thanks Pete, it is good up here, but sometimes the change of scenery is worth the drive... even if it's a one off visit.

                            Is your weekly trip to Bellthorpe for a ride?
                            I've being trying to line up a ride in there for a while, but so far the stars have failed to align.

                            I'd only be camping to extend the riding time by a day or two, which raises my next questions.
                            How many hrs or days riding to get a good dose of Mt Mee & Bellthorpe?
                            How much of that would be sharing forestry roads with 4wd's?

                            Thanks Don, I might take you up on the GPS offer when I get my shit together... there's a few public ones on Gaia GPS, but most of them seem to follow the main access's.

                            Mofo, there's no Qld rep in ARRA yet that I'm aware of, but I'm more than happy to nominate you Cheers

                            When you consider what Greg Peterson and AMA have done for the enduro scene in recent times, I'm confident they'll make ARRA a success too... but not without our support.

                            Gheerulla near Mapleton and Takura Trails near Hervey Bay are living proof that QPWS can be won over.
                            Neither of these are perfect, but they're examples to learn from.
                            I'm not sure if there's a club that looks after Gheerulla or whether it's left up to QPWS, but when we were there about a year ago it was a bit worse for wear.
                            Takura is maintained by Trail Riders Fraser Coast who carry out a few working bees to keep on top of things.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by 380excqld View Post
                              mofo, there's no qld rep in arra yet that i'm aware of, but i'm more than happy to nominate you cheers
                              Originally posted by motoxfox View Post
                              and before you say.....i recognise i dont possess the required personality profile needed here.
                              As id likely m.r.er some nuct in very quick time. just saying.

                              beat you to it 380 !

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                              • #60
                                I live in Dayboro now and just went for a bit of a drive today looking for entry points and yes the horse trail is very overgrown. The horse riders out here do tend to do rides through everyone's property, they often pop out beside ours. They do use it but not as much as the flatter trails.

                                As soon as I get the bike cleaned up again will see if I can get a crew together for a bit of a ride, I don't know the tracks at all and have a few injuries so will be easy stuff. If I can find a entry point a bit closer than the end of Mt Brisbane or Laceys creek Rd it would be awesome, can leave vehicles at my place then.

                                Sgt Ken is still around, haven't met him but very well respected in the community and happy to assist with actual policing issues. The rest of his crew seem pretty good now too. Police, Firies and Ambos have do deal with weekly car and bike accidents up Mt Mee Road which can't be fun, they are experts at opening up mangled cars.

                                Cheers

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