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  • #31
    I dont know Roger's current role etc but I contacted him quite some time back regarding the actions of some DSE people and it became quite clear to me that the trail bike project was a VERY small part of the overall DSE project and the trailbike team (despite their passion and obvious best intentions) were a pretty small shrub in the DSE forest.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Diesel Dan View Post
      I am fairly sure that the trailbike initiative had ticked most boxes of it's intended purpose. What is disappointing is the failure to obtain future funding for a continuation of the program.
      Really, wasn't the trailbike initiative just a pathetic attempt to shut down singetrail?

      As far as I can see, they opened up a bunch of unloading areas, then proceeded to close any singletrail within proximity to said unloading areas.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but the less money 'Government' has to spend on trailbike initiatives, the better. The money only gets used for touchy feely purposes, meanwhile avid dirtbike riders have to travel further to engage in 'REAL' dirtbike riding activities (read - ST riding).

      Didn't the trailbike initiative receive $6m. Shit you could build a lot of sign-posted directional ST for that dosh. Rather than paying ranger danger to shut down / bust innocent (licensed and registered) bike riders from riding a perfectly legitimate ST network.

      The less money Government have to spend on 'managing' forests, the better. This is a sure upside to the GFC yey!

      We don't need a pack of DSE wanka's to micromanage the forest. The influx of vegetation growth over the past few years is testimony to this (rainfall and all). The bush does as it wants - its time the respective public 'SERVANTS' (read between the lines fellas) found a real cause.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by yam-man View Post
        Really, wasn't the trailbike initiative just a pathetic attempt to shut down singetrail?

        As far as I can see, they opened up a bunch of unloading areas, then proceeded to close any singletrail within proximity to said unloading areas.

        Correct me if I'm wrong, but the less money 'Government' has to spend on trailbike initiatives, the better. The money only gets used for touchy feely purposes, meanwhile avid dirtbike riders have to travel further to engage in 'REAL' dirtbike riding activities (read - ST riding).

        Didn't the trailbike initiative receive $6m. Shit you could build a lot of sign-posted directional ST for that dosh. Rather than paying ranger danger to shut down / bust innocent (licensed and registered) bike riders from riding a perfectly legitimate ST network.

        The less money Government have to spend on 'managing' forests, the better. This is a sure upside to the GFC yey!

        We don't need a pack of DSE wanka's to micromanage the forest. The influx of vegetation growth over the past few years is testimony to this (rainfall and all). The bush does as it wants - its time the respective public 'SERVANTS' (read between the lines fellas) found a real cause.
        +1.. Biodiversity...anglesea orchid....land fragmentation...siltation....catchment reference areas.What a forkin wank. When you see the DSE and its "fire management" then compare it to our recreational "wear and tear" their is a huge difference.The dirt bike initiative was no more than a tree hugging wast of my and your money to appease greenies in white coats.Burn it and burn it good...thats the way to manage the bush and let nature do what it does best. Rodger Pitt and his ilk are just PAID public servants who should serve us like the job description says and spend the public purse on proper management of the bush not knee jerk minority pleasing extremism

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        • #34
          Originally posted by jjj View Post
          knee jerk minority pleasing extremism
          I reckon... THAT ONE you didn't plagarise..

          I might write a PhD on K.J.M.P.E.

          I reckon I could get the funding too.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Krackers View Post
            I reckon... THAT ONE you didn't plagarise..

            I might write a PhD on K.J.M.P.E.

            I reckon I could get the funding too.
            I wouldn't count on the funding Karl, just as likely to be short term project based resources that will cut out halfway through your PhD just as you were about the write your thesis!

            And Dan the reason I didn't go to the tree planting day was two fold.

            1. I wasn't going to help plant trees on tracks I didn't believe should be closed so I was not there as a protest.

            2. I didn't think it would look good in the press if I used my shovel to plant a few whining neighbours rather than trees!

            Everywhere I look I see people trying to stop bikes being ridden! Just click the link below

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Krackers View Post
              I reckon... THAT ONE you didn't plagarise..

              I might write a PhD on K.J.M.P.E.

              I reckon I could get the funding too.
              See if you can get me one of those white coats xxxl

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              • #37
                Originally posted by wabi View Post
                Here is a few pics of my area. Please explain, DSE and other Nobs how this doesn't add to water turbidity, weed propagation, errosion etc.

                I doubt us evil single track riders could even begin to compare.
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                • #38
                  Actions speak louder than words. The success of the Green campaign back in the late 80's and early 90's shutting down the hardwood industry is testament to that. Having lobby groups and being represented in government is good but the saying "the wheel that squeeks the loudest gets the most grease" springs to mind. Whilst i dont agree with what the Greens did to the timber industry i have to admire how they went about it. A well organized media and protest campaign shut it down almost overnight. Having public sympathy on their side helped alot too. We, as dirt bike riders, are seen as "meat heads" by the general public and while this is the general concensus by the general public it will always be an uphill battle. The reality is that ST is illegal on any crown land, do i ride ST? Hell yeah. In some areas of Vic it has little or no affect on the eco system. In other areas, like the Cobaw state forest, its impact is dramatic and swift. Granetic sand and no vegetation is a recipe for major erosion.
                  Changing the public perception of dirt bike riders is key to having political clout. And political clout leads to results.
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                  • #39
                    My take on 'erosion'.

                    I stand on the mountain, and look over the fertile plains. I think how, once, all that dirt down there was up here, otherwise the Earth would be just a big craggy rock.
                    I consider that all this has happened in the last 100 odd years, since the invention of the internal combustion engine.

                    I laugh, kick my bike into life and continue my epic journey through nature, while greenies sit in their sustainable timber homes and tap away at their smart tablets while their nuclear fueled cars recharge the batteries dug from a thousand mines.
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                    • #40
                      We have came across rangers at Elaine and Enfield, they were only concerned about some type of weed that is out there amongst the Vegetation, it takes over and isn't good for the environment. They told us they didn't mind where we rode but just stay on the track's, if you go off the track's your tyre's pick up the seed's etc and spread this weed around the area. In saying that, when you have to go off track briefly, that is inevitable. ( ie; greenie's dropping trees to deter people, or 4wd's that have created a huge bog hole). The other thing is these DSE experts shut track's down at Anglesea, plant trees then 12 months later they torch the lot! Where is the sense in that? Most track's we love are not much wider than the kangaroo/goat trail they began as!

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                      • #41
                        it is an unfortunate inevitability that, whilst the bush is being managed by people that don't truly understand it, and rules are set by "greenies" sipping lattes in their concrete jungles... That Australia will never be Free..

                        Just a little side note: how many of you have noticed how "Young" most of the Australian " Bush" is...... Whilst i don't say this about every where, the basics are true. The Australian Bush, Before White fella and Black alike, is a work of art produced by mother nature, One of her great tools is and always has been "FIRE", Much of Australia ( especially southern) Burned every year ( well most) through the tools of lightening (people did not make this), This "cleaning proses stopped the thick over grown "forests" we see today from ever happening.. If anybody has read the writings of some of our earliest explorers, one of the great challenges they faced was obtaining enough "fire wood" to keep them warm and cook with..... interesting thought??
                        The settling of this great southern land ( so far away) only happened because of the Massive clean grazing lands..... So whilst City and country people alike are blinded enough by Greenie Bullshit, that believes that our for-fathers cleared all this land, we will never get any ware.

                        Just a little maths home work: 200 years, ( 150 of them with out a chain saw) any how and
                        7.692 million square klm of land, divided by an average of our population over this time...

                        How many STs would you have to make to clear it all?
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                        • #42
                          Brown is ugly, green is nice.

                          I've had this whole argument/debate in my head for years now about how things are only a problem when they are lacking a cover of Green and how the shape of the ground is overlooked by even the most ardent treehugger if it has a Green coating.
                          It's long and complex and as yet i haven't been able to put into a fully cohesive argument with a valid start and end point but anyone who i've been able to tell a part of it has been impressed and inevitably agrees that it's a great angle to use in a debate.
                          I only run through it in my head when presented with the issue of us being locked out of somewhere/or after too much red but one day i will sit down and nut it all out properly then save a copy if it still sounds as good as it does now.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by rideo View Post
                            I've had this whole argument/debate in my head for years now about how things are only a problem when they are lacking a cover of Green and how the shape of the ground is overlooked by even the most ardent treehugger if it has a Green coating.
                            It's long and complex and as yet i haven't been able to put into a fully cohesive argument with a valid start and end point but anyone who i've been able to tell a part of it has been impressed and inevitably agrees that it's a great angle to use in a debate.
                            I only run through it in my head when presented with the issue of us being locked out of somewhere/or after too much red but one day i will sit down and nut it all out properly then save a copy if it still sounds as good as it does now.
                            You still wont win. Because your not a greenie and a greenie did not think of it.

                            True is as long as we have government looking for reason to close tracks soley so they can fine people for going in there every track in OZ will be eventually closed.

                            This is why i one day will have to buy my owe 200-300 acer block just to enjoy a sport that really does not harm the enviroment.

                            Because really what is the difference between a single trail and a cattle track.

                            NOTHING. They erode but because the gov make huge coin out of it nothing is said.

                            Just like Cigarettes of course people are going to say there bad for you and say you should not do it.

                            But as long as the gov make billion per year they will never stop it like they have to power to do.
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                            Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by rideo View Post
                              I've had this whole argument/debate in my head for years now about how things are only a problem when they are lacking a cover of Green and how the shape of the ground is overlooked by even the most ardent treehugger if it has a Green coating.
                              It's long and complex and as yet i haven't been able to put into a fully cohesive argument with a valid start and end point but anyone who i've been able to tell a part of it has been impressed and inevitably agrees that it's a great angle to use in a debate.
                              I only run through it in my head when presented with the issue of us being locked out of somewhere/or after too much red but one day i will sit down and nut it all out properly then save a copy if it still sounds as good as it does now.
                              Just start writing, I would love to read it, even as a draft.
                              Just Never mention cattle, the idiots in this world hate them also...
                              I remember hearing stories of "Garret" on the edge of the Murry, a boat flys past, the wash hits the bank, a small tree falls...... Garret says, SEE WHAT THE CATTLE ARE DOING!!! good in the "Oils" should never have been aloud in politics.
                              Oh and yes, they pulled the cattle from the Forrest.FFS.. at least when the forest has cattle, it helps do part of the job of FIRE, but that argument is like talking to a brick wall....... THE GREENS ARE THE DEVIL..
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